RE: Audi RS6 Avant vs. Nissan GT-R: PH Video
Sunday 23rd October 2016
Hopefully you enjoyed our recent story pitching the monstrous Audi RS6 Performance against the latest MY17 Nissan GT-R - we certainly enjoyed driving them, as you can now see from the video we shot on the same day. Sadly we didn't catch any shots of the Audi's brake discs glowing red hot but that doesn't make its performance any less impressive; two tonnes of dark grey Audi RS6 growing bigger in your mirrors courtesy of its 605hp twin-turbo V8 is enough to make anyone think. Even if they're driving a GT-R.
Audi RS6 Avant vs. Nissan GT-R: PH Video
Can a family estate car - even a 605hp one - really keep pace with a GT-R on track?
Find out why here...
Discussion
ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
What was the price when new though. We still comparing new to second hand?That said, it's still an A6 for 100k while that money can buy you something really special. But on the other hand, it's a very very fast car that doesn't look like it, and that has it's charm.
Still, for that money I'd prefer something really special.
Guffy said:
That was a fun five minutes, difficult to imagine who's deliberating which of these to buy though..
We'll I certainly have...I had a 2011 GTR for 18 months and currently have an RS6 (via an F10 M5). In all cases, I was looking for a car with decent performance that could seat 4. All three of those are great cars, each with their own strengths and weaknesses.
Many cars that are more suited than them all to the track though.
ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
The RS6 Performance isn't really £100k though, they're sub-£75k from brokers. That leaves a lot of option boxes you can tick before you get to the £100k mark. ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
the V8 RS4s fail drastically as daily drivers because the engine is so bad below 4k (wonderful when on it thou)fortunately the RS6 dumps money like a lunatic, i have seen 18month old ones for a far more sensible 55k, you still need to cover the 13mpg and insane running costs ofc
the new RS4 with its tri turbo V6 should be a superb daily driver at a far more realistic price (hopefully)
Does a fast five seater with luggage space have to weight 2 ton?
Can't Audi take a relatively light A4 Avant with the latest platform and put that new 400bhp RS3 engine in it, that would make for quite a nice RS2 succesor that will help us forget the last lardy RS4 and would steer a lot better than this RS6 and easily keep up on track...
Can't Audi take a relatively light A4 Avant with the latest platform and put that new 400bhp RS3 engine in it, that would make for quite a nice RS2 succesor that will help us forget the last lardy RS4 and would steer a lot better than this RS6 and easily keep up on track...
ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
Your B7 RS4 cost you £20k new? Wow.
Fair one. Search Engine Optimisation has much to answer for... Onehp said:
Does a fast five seater with luggage space have to weight 2 ton?
Can't Audi take a relatively light A4 Avant with the latest platform and put that new 400bhp RS3 engine in it, that would make for quite a nice RS2 succesor that will help us forget the last lardy RS4 and would steer a lot better than this RS6 and easily keep up on track...
But that is the thing with the RS6 - it does the wafting / Bentley GT thing too. Incredibly refined - but that means weight (sound proofing, double glazing, electric everything etc etc). And it also does the trip to the tip, 4 grown men on match day, school run and dog walking. And it will keep a GTR honest on track - if that is your thing. Clever all rounder.Can't Audi take a relatively light A4 Avant with the latest platform and put that new 400bhp RS3 engine in it, that would make for quite a nice RS2 succesor that will help us forget the last lardy RS4 and would steer a lot better than this RS6 and easily keep up on track...
I have wanted one for years but the ride / drive of previous models was too wooden. With the C7 Audi has got it right -at last.
I would have loved a RS2 though....
I am sure the Nissan driver described 300kg as an insignificant weight difference, or similar words.
That is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
That is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
I don't get the appeal of the RS6 at all in the UK. Looked horrible on track, lurching from corner to corner with understeer between, almost no sound from the engine and just not special enough to warrant the pricetag.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
AMGJocky said:
ogrodz said:
The RS6 is probably the best all-rounder on the market at the moment. But the £100K (including radio) price tag is just bonkers. My RS4 B7 cab - at circa £20K - is not quite as fast but using the "bang for buck algorithm", I think it wins over the RS6.
Your B7 RS4 cost you £20k new? Wow.SWoll said:
I don't get the appeal of the RS6 at all in the UK. Looked horrible on track, lurching from corner to corner with understeer between, almost no sound from the engine and just not special enough to warrant the pricetag.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Watch again. It doesn't lurch - but it's no hot hatch as Dan points out - and it feels like a car half its weight simply because of effortless power, powerful brakes and DRC flattening out lean. And remember that is an estate car being driven behind one of the fastest machines in the world. Most cars will look like they are lurching in that situation - only they would be a lap behind On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Imagine all you like, but please try one. May not be your thing. But this latest version has surprised a lot of people - including me (ex GT3).
drmark said:
SWoll said:
I don't get the appeal of the RS6 at all in the UK. Looked horrible on track, lurching from corner to corner with understeer between, almost no sound from the engine and just not special enough to warrant the pricetag.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Watch again. It doesn't lurch - but it's no hot hatch as Dan points out - and it feels like a car half its weight simply because of effortless power, powerful brakes and DRC flattening out lean. And remember that is an estate car being driven behind one of the fastest machines in the world. Most cars will look like they are lurching in that situation - only they would be a lap behind On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
Imagine all you like, but please try one. May not be your thing. But this latest version has surprised a lot of people - including me (ex GT3).
Don't really get the bit where "it looks horrible on track". ?! If the driver is applauding it then what the hell does it matter how it "looks" on track.
I imagine engineering a 600bhp 2ton vehicle to handle even just reasonably is quite difficult.. and pretty much impossible to get one to match a car considerably lighter... but they have done an outstanding job getting that close to the fastest car in its class..
Oh and I personally think the RS6 looks stunning with its aggressivenes! I think that's what will be replacing my f10 for ....
In purple please
Dave Hedgehog said:
the V8 RS4s fail drastically as daily drivers because the engine is so bad below 4k (wonderful when on it thou)
fortunately the RS6 dumps money like a lunatic, i have seen 18month old ones for a far more sensible 55k, you still need to cover the 13mpg and insane running costs ofc
the new RS4 with its tri turbo V6 should be a superb daily driver at a far more realistic price (hopefully)
Don't know on the new one but I borrowed the old V8 RS6 from a mate for a few weeks over winter while my Subaru was in for its rebuild. 18-19mpg is just about doable so it's not all bad fortunately the RS6 dumps money like a lunatic, i have seen 18month old ones for a far more sensible 55k, you still need to cover the 13mpg and insane running costs ofc
the new RS4 with its tri turbo V6 should be a superb daily driver at a far more realistic price (hopefully)
Awesome cars though, definitely the ultimate do everything car, if I could afford to daily one I would do in a heartbeat. Having one as a second car seems a bit pointless though so sadly no RS6 for me.
The current C7 RS6 is quite a big step on from a driving perspective compared to RS6s of old, which were very 'Audi'.
I jumped from having a 997 GT3 as a daily driver to the RS6 Performance. You'd think that would take some getting used to, but the RS6 really does deserve the plaudits - i love it.
They are expensive of course, but i'd argue they cover bases you'd probably need two cars for normally. You can get about £14-15k off list. Comparing it to a 10 year old RS4 is an odd comparison; if you want to save money then buy a 3 year old pre facelift RS6 for under £60k.
I jumped from having a 997 GT3 as a daily driver to the RS6 Performance. You'd think that would take some getting used to, but the RS6 really does deserve the plaudits - i love it.
They are expensive of course, but i'd argue they cover bases you'd probably need two cars for normally. You can get about £14-15k off list. Comparing it to a 10 year old RS4 is an odd comparison; if you want to save money then buy a 3 year old pre facelift RS6 for under £60k.
Scottie - NW said:
I am sure the Nissan driver described 300kg as an insignificant weight difference, or similar words.
That is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
Thought the same; "only 300kgs" lolThat is a lot, huge amounts when you consider one 80kg passenger forces you to alter braking points.
In fact it's like having four passengers, so I can only conclude the Nissan driver has not a lot of idea about driving based on that statement.
Please take him outside and drop 300kg on him to show him how significant that is
Enjoyed the video.
Even on cars this size that's a huge amount of extra weight.
SWoll said:
I don't get the appeal of the RS6 at all in the UK. Looked horrible on track, lurching from corner to corner with understeer between, almost no sound from the engine and just not special enough to warrant the pricetag.
On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
+1 I have seen one at a track day at Goodwood German plated car all geared up pair of them in matching race suits it looked the business in the pits ... and then they got a pasting from cars half the weight and half the power! You could tell watching it through woodcote leaning heavily with the appearance of under steer.On the road I imagine the amount of power on tap just makes for massively frustrating experience 99% of the time and it's just too big, too heavy and too blunt a tool for having fun throwing along B roads. A very 1 dimensional experience I imagine.
I remember it having to come in early as the brakes did not last the whole session,can not knock the car it was not designed as a all out track car.
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