RE: Focus RS vs. Focus ST: PH Blog

RE: Focus RS vs. Focus ST: PH Blog

Monday 14th November 2016

Focus RS vs. Focus ST: PH Blog

So just how do the Focus hot hatch duo compare? To Wales!



Ford Focus RS against Ford Focus ST wasn't a planned comparison, which probably made it more enjoyable. The RS was being collected by Ford for a service, the ST was a courtesy car and, well, we had a rally road trip coming up; we spoke to Ford, its stay was extended and there was a twin-test to conduct when the RS was back.

Don't forget there's another fast Ford Focus
Don't forget there's another fast Ford Focus
Well, of sorts. Fact is if you want, can afford and can get a Focus RS, the lesser front-wheel drive car probably won't cut it. And for someone considering a Focus ST, even this ST-3 with a few options is more than £3,000 less than a base RS. Still, it would be interesting to see where the RS improves upon the ST and where, just perhaps, the ST might hold a few advantages.

Obviously the RS is miles quicker, right? Erm... It's not a night and day difference, put it that way. While the 2.3 in the RS is more eager, more responsive and more willing than the ST's 2.0-litre, its 350hp is shifting 1,599kg and the red car's 250hp is only moving 1,437kg. So it is faster, yes, but not massively so. If you see a Mountune badge on an ST then just be wary RS drivers...

But when the roads around the Elan Valley become beautifully, brilliantly Welsh, the RS is the place to be. Turn in is sharp and its composure unshakeable, shrugging off bumps that see the ST flare up into wheelspin. The RS is a more immersive and precise experience, with more weight to the controls, more noise and more sense of occasion. As you would rightly expect.

The ST isn't left floundering, however. It's easy to forget how good a hot hatch it is, what with the rise of the mega hatches in recent years. There feels to have been a few tweaks since we last drove one too, this car less prone to torque steer than the earlier cars. The Michelin Pilot Super Sports fitted to this car - same as the RS, in fact - must contribute to that additional poise, and it's a really enjoyable car to drive a Welsh B-road in. The steering is more natural than in the RS, for example, less prone to the blue car's aggressive self centring.

Wales in hot hatches? Bliss!
Wales in hot hatches? Bliss!
It rides a little more fluently too, flowing with a pockmarked road rather than bullying it like the RS. While this means it can struggle a little at the limit, at those points where the RS's superior damping can show off, it makes for a car that works really nicely in the UK. It's rather more comfortable on the M4 too.

There can't really be a conclusion here, because these two aren't direct rivals. But it was interesting to note the exact moments the RS was preferred to the ST, and the weekend also served as a reminder of how good the latter is. Certainly there was more demand for that key than the RS for the journey home. There will be more to follow on the blue car soon but, if you're in the market for a hot hatch, don't forget the other fast Ford!

Matt







Photos: Ben Lowden

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FN2TypeR

Original Poster:

7,091 posts

93 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Certainly there was more demand for that key than the RS for the journey home.

Surely not?

Both great cars in their own ways, the ST would have to be orange though, for my tastes. jester

It's good to see that they have made tweaks to the ST steering too, the word I heard used for the earlier models was "busy", which would almost certainly spoil the fun.



Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 14th November 13:12

Dion20vt

252 posts

162 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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It would have to be the RS! Although I can see the appeal of the ST, especially in the estate form! I would suspect that residuals on the RS will be much stronger than the ST, another reason to upgrade!

3yardy3

270 posts

114 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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If it was your money Matt?

FN2TypeR

Original Poster:

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Monday 14th November 2016
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3yardy3 said:
If it was your money Matt?
The RS for me (even though you asked Matt!) - even if I drove both and thought the difference wasn't a massive gulf the residuals, if the MK1 and MK2 are anything to go by, will be as hard as granite, spend four grand more, reap the benefits come cashing in time.

It'd have to be grey though, I think the blue, whilst a funky colour in its own right, makes the car look cheap.

3yardy3

270 posts

114 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
3yardy3 said:
If it was your money Matt?
The RS for me (even though you asked Matt!) - even if I drove both and thought the difference wasn't a massive gulf the residuals, if the MK1 and MK2 are anything to go by, will be as hard as granite, spend four grand more, reap the benefits come cashing in time.

It'd have to be grey though, I think the blue, whilst a funky colour in its own right, makes the car look cheap.
Agreed, you would also rare factor over the ST, one of the main reason I didn't want a Fiesta ST is that fact that there are so many around.

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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You'd be a fool not to consider the residuals when comparing them like for like. The RS will probably cost less over 5 years.

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Interesting to see so much praise for the ST, when usually it's ranked as one of the less desirable hot hatches behind cars such as the Golf GTi and Leon Cupra.

Whilst the ST-£ may be priced at just £3k less than the RS, that's pre discount. You can easily knock £5k off the list price of the ST, where as I doubt there's any discount to be had from the RS.

1974foggy

676 posts

144 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Still don't think the RS looks special enough, plus the ST looks better in some ways - I much prefer the exhaust setup on the ST.
But the coveted RS badge will win over on rarity and heritage, as it will always be the more sought after one of course.
Id rather save the money and take the ST - it doesn't have that drug dealer image like the RS either.

Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Something appeals to me with the ST, send it to Mountune for the MR290 kit, some Handling and Chassis Upgrades, namely a 'Diff and i reckon it wouldn't be that far behind a RS at all, but saying that it'd probably cost more than a RS.

Tuvra

7,921 posts

225 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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1974foggy said:
Still don't think the RS looks special enough, plus the ST looks better in some ways - I much prefer the exhaust setup on the ST.
But the coveted RS badge will win over on rarity and heritage, as it will always be the more sought after one of course.
Id rather save the money and take the ST - it doesn't have that drug dealer image like the RS either.
My mate bought an ST in 2010 for £19,500, I bought an RS for £24,500, he sold his ST the other day for £8k and the RS, if I still had it would be worth £18k or so today. Therefore the RS will probably be cheaper to own over say 5 years.

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Monday 14th November 2016
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3yardy3 said:
If it was your money Matt?
If it was my money, purely out of the two, it would be the RS. But I can't say it would be my first choice at this sort of money if other cars are considered!



Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Monday 14th November 2016
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FN2TypeR said:
Certainly there was more demand for that key than the RS for the journey home.

Surely not?

Both great cars in their own ways, the ST would have to be orange though, for my tastes. jester

It's good to see that they have made tweaks to the ST steering too, the word I heard used for the earlier models was "busy", which would almost certainly spoil the fun.



Edited by FN2TypeR on Monday 14th November 13:12
Really! The RS ride is pretty tough and, combined with the more aggressive seats, it's certainly less relaxed on the motorway than the ST. When you have three hours in the rain as the journey home the priorities change!

nickfrog

21,133 posts

217 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Mike1990 said:
Something appeals to me with the ST, send it to Mountune for the MR290 kit, some Handling and Chassis Upgrades, namely a 'Diff and i reckon it wouldn't be that far behind a RS at all, but saying that it'd probably cost more than a RS.
Which highlights how much of a bargain the last Megane RS CUP-S were at around £19k even with leather Recaros and Nav !

SpunkyGlory

2,322 posts

165 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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I've got an RS on order but won't arrive until mid-2017 so I've just ordered an ST in the meantime to keep me going.

Both obviously different cars for different jobs: the RS is the better driving machine and much more fun, the ST is slightly more civilised but still a great amount of fun. As pointed out above, with a straight choice between the 2 I would go for RS all day long as the total cost of 2/3 years is going to be significantly less.

Ultrafunkula

997 posts

105 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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IanCress said:
Interesting to see so much praise for the ST, when usually it's ranked as one of the less desirable hot hatches behind cars such as the Golf GTi and Leon Cupra.
More of a reflection of how good the sector is nowadays IMO.

HannsG

3,045 posts

134 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Does the RS have all wheel drive bias?

Understeer or oversteer much? We currently have the ST Estate as a family hack for kids and so on and it's very capable.

I have been thinking about chopping my M3 in for a brand new RS. But if it's FWD bias I will not bother.

T16OLE

2,946 posts

191 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Surely you'd better off paying the extra as the depreciation percentage would be significantly less on the RS

Twinfan

10,125 posts

104 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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HannsG said:
Does the RS have all wheel drive bias?

Understeer or oversteer much? We currently have the ST Estate as a family hack for kids and so on and it's very capable.

I have been thinking about chopping my M3 in for a brand new RS. But if it's FWD bias I will not bother.
The RS is very neutral and doesn't feel like a FWD car at all. Very cool car actually, I like to steal the keys to Mrs Twinfan's every so often.

However, it's still a Focus and doesn't feel special inside.

chj

763 posts

213 months

Monday 14th November 2016
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Matt Bird said:
If it was my money, purely out of the two, it would be the RS. But I can't say it would be my first choice at this sort of money if other cars are considered!
ears so, what would you choose?

JMF894

5,498 posts

155 months

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CTR!