RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo 147 JDTM

RE: Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo 147 JDTM

Friday 25th November 2016

Shed of the Week: Alfa Romeo 147 JTDM

Shed fancies a lusty Italian; turns up an old smoker



A dealer car this week, which is unusual, and an Italian one, which is almost as unusual these days. Could the recent absence of Italian motors from our sub-£1K selection be indicating some weird trend, like they've all become scrappers or, more exotically, they're all being hoarded? Hmm.


Anyway, here's one that hasn't and isn't, an Alfa 147 JTDM. Now, for many, 'Italian' and 'diesel' go together like coal and custard, which reminds Shed of a role-playing evening with Mrs Shed that went horribly wrong.

But don't go jumping to the wrong conclusion (as Shed did on that fateful night). Fiat's MultiJet unit has gained plenty of admirers over the years - they were an early adopter of the common-rail principle, remember - and Alfa's JTDM lump also has plenty going for it.

Power, to start with. As anyone who has owned or driven (say) a Golf GTI diesel, the thick end of 150hp is a very handy real world output in a car this size. You will find yourself making very satisfactory progress, attracting little attention in the process, simply by rolling along on the big wave of torquemada. There's a chap local to Shed who has an Ibiza diesel which looks absolutely standard bar a large exhaust. Clearly it isn't, though, as it launches up the road while revving at a surprisingly languid rate. Most impressive it is.


Anyway, back to the 147. Contemporary road tests liked this car, praising its sweet steering and stylish looks. Those looks have held up pretty well. There again, they should have done because as Sheds go this facelifted 2006 car is refreshingly young.

What is impressive about this specimen is how well it seems to be wearing its mileage. Photographs never tell the whole story, as we know, but the body looks bright and straight and the leather remarkably crisp and uncreased. These later 147s did see a significant uplift in build quality as Alfa made a desperate effort to lure Golf buyers into its web. Obviously that didn't really work, but the good thing is that a canny used buyer can take advantage of the relative soundness of the 147 proposition and get themselves a very decent car for the money.

There are 147 issues, obviously, but not 147 of them. Far from it. That diesel is as strong as anything from Germany, and just demands the usual attention to belts and pumps. Electrics are Bosch CAN-bus and thus relatively simple. Suspension parts are a bit frangible, and you'd want to check the history to see whether the dual-mass flywheel has been changed - an expensive job - but generally speaking there should be no cause for surprise at this car's sterling service so far.


In this particular case you even get a five-character reg plate for your trouble. Oddly, according to the MoT history site anyway, that reg was attached to an '11-plate Giulietta a couple of weeks ago. It would be interesting to see how negotiations between vendor and any interested party might proceed. Insert your favourite conspiracy theory here.

These fast diesel 147s make excellent mile-munchers and could fit into many a life as long as you can put up with a ride that's as hard as a politician's heart, a middling crash protection rating and the fact that there's not much room in the back for either passengers or cargo. Uniquely, Mrs Shed falls into both those categories. You certainly couldn't get two Mrs Sheds on the back seat. Mind you, she is a wide lass with a colossal set of bingo wings. She can wear her bra backwards and it still fits.

Here's the ad.

Red, 2 owners, 5 seats, Alfa Romeo 147 JTDM TI 1.9 Litre SE 3 Door, 6 Speed Manual, 06/06, One Former Keeper, 189000 Miles, Documented Service History, 189000 Miles, Cambelt Replaced, 5 Services, MOT June 2016, No Advisories, 2 Keys, Full Book Pack, Alfa Red/ Full Black Leather Interior, Dual Zone Climate Control, Air Conditioning, Radio CD, Cruise Control, Electric Windows, Heated Electric Door Mirrors, Audio Steering Controls, Centre Arm Rest, 17” Multi-Spoke Alloy Wheels, Colour Coded Bumpers And Mirrors, Private Plate Included In Sale, Good MPG, Long MOT, Cheap Economical Diesel Hatch, PX Bargain To Clear!!!, £950 p/x to clear

1.9 JTDM 16v TI 3dr

 

 


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r11co

Original Poster:

6,244 posts

230 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Wow! My first thought was how well the leather was (not) wearing for nearly 190k miles. I've seen examples with a third of that and the bolster on the side of the driver's seat looking grey and tatty!

Knowing how easy it is to change wishbones on these, for that money it is worth a punt even if some parts are needed. Only other concern would be gummed-up swirl-flap bearings. They are plastic and non-replaceable, generally needing a whole new inlet manifold to fix.

V8 FOU

2,973 posts

147 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Love Alfa 147's - but diesel? I've never thought Alfa and diesel were happy bed fellows (sounds like Mr & Mrs Shed again)
Anyway. Good choice for the money.

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

165 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Looks lovely, and appears to be in remarkably good condition considering the mileage.

If the history checks out (including some evidence of when the belt was done, turbo refurb, dmf replacement) it could be a steal.

OTOH... the dpf/egr combo has been known to throw some big bills on this dagdag engine - as the father of freind found out with his GT (wince)

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

174 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Alfas don't really do it for me anyway, but a diesel with nearly 200k? No thanks!

Warpspeed1

19 posts

118 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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It looks fab. 10 years old with 189,000 miles and looking like 3 years old with 30,000 miles. I don't see what the problem is having this mileage on a diesel engine, that's what they are built for.

r11co

Original Poster:

6,244 posts

230 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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mrtwisty said:
OTOH... the dpf/egr combo has been known to throw some big bills on this dagdag engine - as the father of freind found out with his GT (wince)
Pretty sure these cars do not have DPF. The EGR solenoids do get gummed up and eventually seize. Expensive to replace if you buy an Alfa part (cheaper if you know which Vauxhall/SAAB part is the equivalent wink ) but DIY servicing of them is also possible and inexpensive (plastic bucket and loads of carb cleaner!)

Edited by r11co on Friday 25th November 10:22

Uncle John

4,283 posts

191 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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I'm biased as I've got one of these and I'm an Alfa fan, but it's truly been a great car.

I did, as has been mentioned struggle with Alfa and diesel, but hey ho that's progress, and now I have to struggle with Alfa and SUV.....!!!!

Did 30k in 1.5 years. Averaged 46 mpg and mines been remapped by Celtic Tuning and flies in gear. Light weight helps here as well.

Had the cambelt changed as per the service instructions, it's had 4 MOT's and no advisories on any of them in my ownership. Suspension on mine has not been a problem, although less miles at 110k.

Just to add, the petrol engine range in these bar the Busso, can give a fair few problems and the JTDm is highly regarded.

I think they still look great as well.

All in all, a good SOTW!!

Edited by Uncle John on Friday 25th November 10:25

Vitorio

4,296 posts

143 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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V8 FOU said:
Love Alfa 147's - but diesel? I've never thought Alfa and diesel were happy bed fellows (sounds like Mr & Mrs Shed again)
Anyway. Good choice for the money.
The Alfa JTD(m) lumps are all very well regarded, and in some cars (like 10 year old 147s) might even be a safer choice then the petrol TS units (which tend to consume oil, and lunch their big ends when run on low oil).

Sure, its still a diesel, and as such not the best match for an italian semi sporty car, but i'd have one in a heartbeat if mileage dictated diesel

On topic of the shed, what a lovely car for shed money, leather, facelift etc.. makes my €2K pre-FL 147 looks expensive.

Richard-390a0

2,253 posts

91 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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That appears to be wearing its miles remarkably well. Good sotw choice!

Barchettaman

6,308 posts

132 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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189,000 miles.... wearing them well, but I would still be very wary. I had a Vectra C with the same lump and got 1300KM out of a tank at 69.9 mpg, it is a good unit with a couple of known issues (swirl flaps for example) that are well worth keeping an eye on. Mine drank no oil even at 130,000 miles.

The M32 6-speed box can throw a big bill but specialists are out there who can repair rather than replace.

EGR cleaning on the 150 16-valve engine is easy if a bit messy - if I can do it anyone can.

How durable are the suspension parts on these? Refreshing bushes etc. can quickly add up price-wise.

soad

32,891 posts

176 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Torquemada? Sounds painful. biggrin

Agent XXX

1,248 posts

106 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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"Fiat's MultiJet unit has gained plenty of admirers over the years - they were an early adopter of the common-rail principle, remember "

I think you'll find FIAT were a bit more than 'an early adopter' of common rail principles!

mrtwisty

3,057 posts

165 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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r11co said:
mrtwisty said:
OTOH... the dpf/egr combo has been known to throw some big bills on this dagdag engine - as the father of freind found out with his GT (wince)
Pretty sure these cars do not have DPF. The EGR solenoids do get gummed up and eventually seize. Expensive to replace if you buy an Alfa part (cheaper if you know which Vauxhall/SAAB part is the equivalent wink ) but DIY servicing of them is also possible and inexpensive (plastic bucket and loads of carb cleaner!)

Edited by r11co on Friday 25th November 10:22
Ah, I thought '06 and onwards had dpf due to legislation - happy to be corrected though.

The GT I spoke of with this engine lunched it's turbo and injectors due to an egr issue if I recall correctly, so well worth checking that out immediately upon buying this one.

I've always admired the look of the 147, especially in red. A very good looker for an every-day type car.

Action jack84

34 posts

152 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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mrtwisty said:
Looks lovely, and appears to be in remarkably good condition considering the mileage.

If the history checks out (including some evidence of when the belt was done, turbo refurb, dmf replacement) it could be a steal.

OTOH... the dpf/egr combo has been known to throw some big bills on this dagdag engine - as the father of freind found out with his GT (wince)
I fear your Friends father was spun a bit a yarn there as far as I am aware GT JTD's were not fitted with DPF's . I have a GT JTD myself great car . Mine has just hit 170k miles.


r11co

Original Poster:

6,244 posts

230 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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mrtwisty said:
The GT I spoke of with this engine lunched it's turbo and injectors due to an egr issue if I recall correctly, so well worth checking that out immediately upon buying this one.
I seriously doubt an injector problem was down to EGR. I mentioned the gummed-up swirl flaps which is an issue that is exacerbated by running the car with a sticking EGR, as is an overboosting turbo caused by the variable vane control system jamming up.

I suspect that was the issue rather than injectors. If this car has reached the stated mileage and these problems have no already occurred then I would say it is because the necessary preventative maintenance has been carried out. There is actually a kit of parts available to restrict the flow and thus increase the pressure and speed of the recirculated exhaust to minimise said issues. Either some wise owner has fitted it or it came from the factory with it!

Edited by r11co on Friday 25th November 11:32

Scottie - NW

1,288 posts

233 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Surely this is a far better proposition for an Alfa for a grand?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

r11co

Original Poster:

6,244 posts

230 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Scottie - NW said:
Surely this is a far better proposition for an Alfa for a grand?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
The number of these I have seen 'laid-up' with either a knackered big-end or a broken cam-belt? No thanks.

Either 3.2 V6 or diesel IMO.

soad

32,891 posts

176 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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Scottie - NW said:
Surely this is a far better proposition for an Alfa for a grand?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
MOT shortly runs out though. Plenty of advisory notices too.

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

174 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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r11co said:
The number of these I have seen 'laid-up' with either a knackered big-end or a broken cam-belt? No thanks.

Either 3.2 V6 or diesel IMO.
Do they have a design flaw that causes the cambelt issues or is it just the replacement interval being set too long? - If so you could get around it with an early change, assuming it isn't a huge job?

Blackpuddin

16,509 posts

205 months

Friday 25th November 2016
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soad said:
Scottie - NW said:
Surely this is a far better proposition for an Alfa for a grand?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
MOT shortly runs out though. Plenty of advisory notices too.
Plus it's not on PH.