RE: BMW M5 vs 530i: You Know You Want To

RE: BMW M5 vs 530i: You Know You Want To

Thursday 1st December 2016

BMW M5 vs 530i: You Know You Want To

Sound like an unfair comparison? Take a look at their respective values...



Yes, we know what you're thinking. An E39 M5 vs an E39 530i? There's no contest... surely? Well in fact, while the world is going mad for the new BMW 5 Series, there's a little corner of the used market where bizarre things are happening.

Can you find a better E39?
Can you find a better E39?
Of course, the E39 530i Sport is a very lovely machine. Some would say (your humble correspondent included) it's the pinnacle of non-M E39-ness. Consider that deft rack-and-pinion steering denied the V8 models, and the lovely, raspy straight six engine that delivers power enough to make the 530i a pleasure to drive, and yet quite remarkable fuel consumption for a car of this size and age.

For all that, we are nevertheless puzzled as to why they've suddenly become so expensive to buy. Surely it's too early for classic status to be bestowed upon cars from the early 2000s?

This one, for example, is priced at a shade under £11,000. Granted, it's one of the best around, with low mileage, a full history and a tonne of options. It's also a rare Aegean Edition. If you trust the adverts you see for these, only 150 were sold, a statistic seemingly corroborated by the data on How Many Left?.

And, for your extra folding, you get an extended leather interior, with hide running up onto the dashboard and door cappings as well as on the seats, BMW's 'Individual' Aegean Blue paintwork, and a smattering of extra kit.

But in the face of an E39 M5, any 530i Sport is as a young apprentice to its master. The M5 boasts the same cosseting ride, space for five and suave-yet-menacing looks, but matches them to a thumping 400hp V8, delectable chassis balance and an addictive, basso profundo throb. It isn't hard to understand why some consider the E39 M5 to be the best car BMW ever made.

Mmm, V8
Mmm, V8
Yet you can now get hold of a decent M5 for less than you can spend on a 530i Sport. Take this example. The advert makes all the right noises. There's a full history, plus invoices, the most recent of which show several age-related niggles rectified. The colour combination - Silverstone over black leather - is a classic, well-loved one. The seller even talks about running round the car with a paint gauge when he bought it to check there were no untoward repairs. And yet, it's on for over a grand less than the above 530i.

There are caveats here, of course. The M5 is rather pricey to sort out when it goes wrong, and this is one of the cheapest in the country, up against one of the most expensive 530is. It is also a "normal", average-mileage, pre-facelift car up against a limited-edition, low-mileage post-facelift.

Then again, this 530i is not unique in its eyebrow-raising price. The cheapest Sport in the classifieds at the time of writing costs around £3,000, with a sound, early auto going for £5,000, and a clean low-miler now asking around £7,000. Even for a lesser 530i Sport, then, you're not far off M5 money.

To our mind, that makes the M5 look like terrific value. Or the 530i Sport look terrifically over-valued. Whichever way you square it, now's the time to buy an M5 - before people cotton on, and their prices start to realign with those of their lesser brethren.


BMW 530I (E39) SPORT AEGEAN EDITION
Price:
£10,940
Why you should: Perhaps the best of the best as non-M E39s go.
Why you shouldn't: It's a non-M E39 with a five-figure price tag.

See the original advert here.

BMW M5 (E39)
Price:
£9,500
Why you should: It's an E39 M5 at sub-£10K. And you won't see those for much longer.
Why you shouldn't: Greater bork potential than a 530i. But never mind that - you just should, OK?

See the original advert here.

 

 

 

 

   
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DJFish

Original Poster:

5,923 posts

264 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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If you think that's bad, look at this 540: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

I think some people are just in a different world with price expectations....bubble, what bubble?

trickywoo

11,837 posts

231 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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If you aren't worried about the auto vs manual issue an E60 545 / 550 makes a much better comparison with an E39 M5 than an E39 530.

My only E39 experience has been a 1997 528 but the 2003 E60 545 I have now is so much better I can't imagine even a much later model 530 coming close.

With the dynamic drive option they corner flat and the N62 V8 loves to rev. Can't see why you would pay more money for an E39 530.

British Beef

2,220 posts

166 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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530 is quite a nice car, with quite a nice engine.

M5 is just a fantastic package with a great engine.

No contest if you value driving, performance and engine noise! Even at double the cost I would go with the M5!

PistonBroker

2,422 posts

227 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Whilst I appreciate this one's a limited edition, I struggle to see the specialness of a 530i over an M5. Maybe it's because, when new, one of my bosses and a colleague had E39 530i M Sports? Fantastic looking cars but really just run of the mill. Certainly not proper M-cars. One of the other directors was in a B6 S4. Much more like it.

Agreed re: E39 M5 values surely set to go only one way. A while back I read on here that Alex Roy's 'The Driver' was worth a read and, having tracked down a copy, it sure was. Needless to say I jumped on Auto Trader fairly quickly and couldn't believe how cheap the E39 M5s still are. The cheapest had the inevitable M5 plate on it, with the last 3 letters being ADX. As my first name is Adam I couldn't help but wonder if this was an omen!

David87

6,662 posts

213 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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DJFish said:
If you think that's bad, look at this 540: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

I think some people are just in a different world with price expectations....bubble, what bubble?
Wrong wheels and mirrors. For that price, it should be perfect. I'm oot.

ambuletz

10,754 posts

182 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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David87 said:
DJFish said:
If you think that's bad, look at this 540: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...

I think some people are just in a different world with price expectations....bubble, what bubble?
Wrong wheels and mirrors. For that price, it should be perfect. I'm oot.
ah hexagon. their mad prices are well discussed in the overpriced cars thread.

H20DJY

189 posts

94 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Been thinking of a M5 for a while, as I am sure we discussed Alex. But can I realistically add one at the moment? Probably not frown The values will be up by the time I can justify adding.

PJZ7

17 posts

110 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Really enjoyed this article, my Dad has an e39 530D Aegean Edition and i've just bought an e39 M5.

Of course the M5 is the real deal, a monster of a car and definitely the current bargain of the century but the steering on those non-V8 e39's is incredible! Its solid, direct and feels so over engineered it would survive a landmine blast. I usually need to drive something very different before getting back in the M car to avoid instant disappointment in my hands. Thankfully the S62 makes up for it operatically.

Over 10 grand is asking a lot, even for a low miler with perfect history but these really are great cars. My dads is well over 160k miles now and going. With the Aegean package it has the usual Msport facelift look on those brilliant 18" parallel alloys and still turns heads, more often being given nods of approval from people who remember e39's being ten a penny. He has had it some time now and it has required some care and attention but that is to be expected from cars of that age, if you can work around the small electrical niggles you're left with an over engineered mechanical masterpiece. I would struggle to find a more solid package to replace it with for under 10 grand, so maybe they do justify the interest.

Leins

9,472 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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As nice as that 530i looks, I think I'd want "Alpina" written on a fifth door to go anywhere near that sort of price

LewisR

678 posts

216 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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I have an early manual E60 530i, which replaced my ageing manual E39 528i. I missed the E39 quite a bit as I think in many ways the E60 was a step backwards, so I bought an E39 M5 4 years ago for £5700. I've probably spent the the difference between what it's worth now and what I paid for it in maintenance !
I can completely see the appeal of a manual E39 530i Sport.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Will it not have something to do with the six cyl steering as the V8s have the recirculating ball? Also will be lighter than the V8s so translate that to be the sweetest of the E39 range.

I've seen too many early rough M5s to be put off (almost) for life. I'd have a 530 but I wouldn't expect it to hold its value like an M.

j_s14a

863 posts

179 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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I'd have a 530d Sport over either of them. Great car to drive, quick (not particularly fast these days, but certainly quick enough), and can return 50mpg on a steady run. Build quality puts anything newer to shame. A low miles 530d sport Touring would be perfect.


PHMatt

608 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Most additional running costs associated with the M5 would pay for themselves in the future when you sell it.
As more die/rust/collide they will just keep going up in value.

As a former 330CI owner, they and the E39 530i are just too common to regularly command strong values.




Bencolem

1,019 posts

240 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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I would imagine that for many potential buyers used to the current wave of turbocharged engines the lack of torque would be a real surprise with the E39 530i. Whilst I agree they are lovely things with great steering they really don't feel quick today with a very linear power delivery that needs revs somewhat anathema to the automatic gearbox. And if you really wanted an E39 530i (which I can fully understand) aren't you better off buying one for less than half the price which has been used and you can use?

JohnGoodridge

529 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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PistonBroker said:
Whilst I appreciate this one's a limited edition, I struggle to see the specialness of a 530i over an M5. Maybe it's because, when new, one of my bosses and a colleague had E39 530i M Sports? Fantastic looking cars but really just run of the mill. Certainly not proper M-cars. One of the other directors was in a B6 S4. Much more like it.

Agreed re: E39 M5 values surely set to go only one way. A while back I read on here that Alex Roy's 'The Driver' was worth a read and, having tracked down a copy, it sure was. Needless to say I jumped on Auto Trader fairly quickly and couldn't believe how cheap the E39 M5s still are. The cheapest had the inevitable M5 plate on it, with the last 3 letters being ADX. As my first name is Adam I couldn't help but wonder if this was an omen!
This. I recently re-read Evo's piece on the greatest ever M Cars where it made the final five alongside some of the very special limited editions M3 CSL, E30 M3, and M1. Get a good one now.

I also was sat next to a dark green one waiting for the ferry in Calais this summer. It still looks and sounds gorgeous. Always a shame they never made a Touring though...

Leins

9,472 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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PHMatt said:
Most additional running costs associated with the M5 would pay for themselves in the future when you sell it.
As more die/rust/collide they will just keep going up in value
As long as your one doesn't die in spectacular fashion too, that is

DM525i

76 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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Maybe I should mothball my manual 79,000 mile e39 525i sport and wait for the bubble to reach my house and then retire!

JD2329

481 posts

169 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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I've had both and there is no comparison.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

206 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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So PH are writing articles about delusional sellers now?

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,068 posts

99 months

Thursday 1st December 2016
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I have now done about 400K miles in 3 E39's :- An M5, a B10 3.3 and a B10 V8s.

For what it is worth, the M5 was a great 10/10th's car and was really a supercar ( of the era ) in a normal saloon body. That said, I found that on every day driving, in particular in traffic, the clutch was a bit heavy and the ride a bit hard.

I never really gelled with the B10 3.3, which in theory is an improved 530i. Mine was a pre-facelift and I never found it that quick, it sorely lacked a 6th gear meaning highway motoring was more tiring than expected and the steering wheel was too large ( though this was rectified on the facelift ).

The B10 V8s is the sweetspot. Very similar power to M5 but lot less effort. M5 still beats it at 10/10ths pace, but Alpina superior at all other times and more rounded.

E39's are generally reliable, though I found that as mine approached 200k miles, lots of little things did start to go wrong - you do want to budget £1000 a year plus for running something this old. If it is an auto, get the oil replaced every 50k miles !