RE: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

RE: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

Saturday 24th December 2016

Jaguar F-Type S Coupe: PH Fleet

Hang on, did Dan miss another spec sheet tick?



A month on and I still can't gush enthusiastically enough about how much more I like the look of the F-Type with its de-chromed window surrounds and black side vents. In the grand scheme of things such a tiny, tiny detail. But, it's these kind of things we car geeks fixate upon, right? And I can breathe easily knowing the Jaguar now looks - to my eyes - as it should.

Season to be jolly, right?
Season to be jolly, right?
People love this car too. Even my dad, who's not really that into cars, murmured his approval. I'm getting used to the nods of appreciation and dreamy 'nice car mate!' comments from petrol station cashiers that just brighten your day. I've said it before, this is a feelgood car and that seems to extend to everyone you encounter.

More so for those in the driving seat though! The F-Type has been doing the rounds in the team recently and everyone who's driven it comes back beaming. My own level of appreciation is tracking a steady upward curve too, which is a nice feeling. I'll admit my first reactions were that the clutch felt a bit long, the gearshift a bit notchy and the steering and chassis set-up a little twitchy. I've felt the latter in most F-Types I've driven in fact. But as I've dialled into it I've come to appreciate there are rather more of the interesting shades of grey subtlety in this car that you don't get in the more shouty V8 versions.

They're all about big noise, big acceleration, big skids and all the rest. They can do corners but they're more point and squirt machines in my book, something they achieve with impressive drama and excitement. Because the S doesn't have that lunatic V8 thrust you tend to look elsewhere for your thrills though, and that's where the finer details reveal themselves. The steering is light but the front end is positive and turns in neatly with less weight over the nose. And on wet winter roads the options from there are now more easy to exploit. There's none of the aggressive grabiness you get in the Dynamic modes of the electronic diff-equipped V8 cars, the mechanical diff locking up smoothly and progressively to offer as much rear-driven balance as you want. Because the engine's power is less overwhelming you can relish that lovely transitionary stage as the car starts to rotate and it feels beautifully balanced and predictable. I'll have to go to a track and see how it reacts to some proper provocation but at the moment I'm rather enjoying the more subtle side of 'going sideways without going sideways', as it were. A rather more old-school balance and rather what I was hoping for out of this particular spec.

Course it looks good grimy!
Course it looks good grimy!
Niggles? On the first cold morning I was rather startled to find my £2,495 Performance Seats aren't actually heated but, again, that's my fault for getting distracted on the spec sheet by stuff like bright paint and carbon roofs. I checked on the weight saving for the latter - it's about a fifth lighter than the aluminium panel or 'not much' by the numbers I was asked not to share. Let's be honest; it's a styling feature as much as anything. One I rather like because I'm a bit of a tart really. It's also a shame the manual gets a basic plastic switch for going between driving modes and not the neat, rubberised toggle with its bronze anodised surround you get with the auto shifter. What was that about details? While fiddling about around there I also want to find a way of permanently disabling the start/stop - when it's operating the death rattle as the engine cuts is just horrible. I also hate the electronic handbrake - again it works fine on the auto, but the 'tension' required to make it release from pulling away is such you need a big blip of revs and a bit of clutch slipping if you're not to stall against it. One of those minor annoyances that becomes a major one in stop-start traffic.

Next missions? To get rid of the tree sap from the bulkhead after bloody-mindedly using the F-Type to collect seasonal tree-shaped ornaments. And to play with the suction cup Sea Sucker bike rack that's arrived just in time for the Christmas break. Sunday B-road blast in the F-Type with a bike ride at the end of it? If the Sea Sucker is up to the task this could be an ideal combination of my favourite things!


FACT SHEET
Car
: Jaguar F-Type S Coupe
Run by: Dan
On fleet since: October 2016
Mileage: 5,572
List price new: £71,880 (Basic list of £60,775 plus Firesand Orange paint £715; Jet leather facings and Firesand stitch £0; Jet/Firesand Interior £0; Dark Hex Aluminium centre console £0, 20-inch Cyclone wheels in black £1,785; High Performance Brake System with black calipers £310; Visibility Pack inc. heated windscreen and Auto High Beam Assist £1,100; Premium Leather Interior with Performance Seats £2,495; Parking Pack inc. front parking sensors and rear view camera £515; illuminated metal treadplates with Jaguar script £255; Meridian 770W Digital Surround Sound System £1,380 and Carbon Fibre Roof £2,550)
Last month at a glance: Winter roads show the F-Type's playful side

Previous reports: 
If PH built F-Type Coupes...
Spec blushes averted with de-chroming

 

 

 

 

Photos: Ben Lowden

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Discussion

Mace001

Original Poster:

6 posts

127 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Just looked back at the first report and photos - what a difference the new black pack rather than chrome makes..huge disaster avoided! Looking forward to hearing about how you get on with the bike rack. Photo's please.

DirtyIrish

51 posts

118 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Mace001 said:
Just looked back at the first report and photos - what a difference the new black pack rather than chrome makes..huge disaster avoided! Looking forward to hearing about how you get on with the bike rack. Photo's please.
I also had to go back to the first report to see any interior shots! rolleyes
Come on PH it's not all about the exterior! tongue out

2 GKC

1,904 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Whilst appreciating I'll probably be shot at dawn for this, I'm going to say it anyway. That manual gearshift just looks wrong in this car to me. A manual Jag? Really? I'd take a manual in most cars, but to me in a Jag (and a Merc for that matter), they're not right. There, I said it.

2 GKC

1,904 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Would that tree have gone in that car had Dan owned it? I'd be livid if it were mine.

Actus Reus

4,234 posts

156 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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Aren't the heated seat elements always fitted anyway and all you're paying for is for the buttons to be wired up?

And whilst I'm here: "seasonal tree-shaped ornaments". Just call it a fking tree. Thanks.

VanquishRider

509 posts

153 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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2 GKC said:
Whilst appreciating I'll probably be shot at dawn for this, I'm going to say it anyway. That manual gearshift just looks wrong in this car to me. A manual Jag? Really? I'd take a manual in most cars, but to me in a Jag (and a Merc for that matter), they're not right. There, I said it.
Oh my god, get a grip. They nearly went bust 3 times listening to muppets with ideas like this. Do you think the C Type, D Type & E Type were all Auto's?

Next you will be saying they should only make a car that looks like it was designed in the fifties with a straight six and petrol engine. Look where that got PAG/Ford with Jaguar.

I would only buy this car with the manual. I want to enjoy driving it. Not think I'm in a semi autonomous Inter City 125 on the way to work.

2 GKC

1,904 posts

106 months

Thursday 22nd December 2016
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VanquishRider said:
2 GKC said:
Whilst appreciating I'll probably be shot at dawn for this, I'm going to say it anyway. That manual gearshift just looks wrong in this car to me. A manual Jag? Really? I'd take a manual in most cars, but to me in a Jag (and a Merc for that matter), they're not right. There, I said it.
Oh my god, get a grip. They nearly went bust 3 times listening to muppets with ideas like this. Do you think the C Type, D Type & E Type were all Auto's?

Next you will be saying they should only make a car that looks like it was designed in the fifties with a straight six and petrol engine. Look where that got PAG/Ford with Jaguar.

I would only buy this car with the manual. I want to enjoy driving it. Not think I'm in a semi autonomous Inter City 125 on the way to work.
I'm not sure the C,D & E Types have a lot to do with it. There's currently 309 F-Types for sale on Autotrader, 8 of which are manuals. It therefore seems unlikely that the creation of a manual version will have done much to enhance Jaguar's coffers. Moreover, because they make so few, they're unlikely to be very good at it. I've read a lot of reviews suggesting the auto is more enjoyable for that reason. Little extract from "Car" Magazine below if you're interested.

We've driven F-types aplenty (check out further reviews in the Other Models tab above) so here we're assessing the suitability of the six-speed manual 'box. DIY fits sports cars, so the logic goes. The problem is, the F-type's shift is just not quite as snickety as you might like. The automatic is so well tuned to the F-type's V6, I actually preferred the slusher to the stick shift. Heresy? I don't think so, not any more. Jaguar simply can't match the tactility, the quality of the throw that you'll find in a manual Porsche - and to make matters worse, my left hand bashed into the hand-grab every time I selected reverse. Not good.

Richie C

637 posts

207 months

Friday 23rd December 2016
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DirtyIrish said:
Mace001 said:
Just looked back at the first report and photos - what a difference the new black pack rather than chrome makes..huge disaster avoided! Looking forward to hearing about how you get on with the bike rack. Photo's please.
I also had to go back to the first report to see any interior shots! rolleyes
Come on PH it's not all about the exterior! tongue out
I also went back to have a look, but as PH photos are still stuck in a 1996 GeoCities time warp they are all so tiny you can hardly make out the difference.

JayH888

264 posts

152 months

Saturday 24th December 2016
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Bike rack! You don't need one. I can get my bike in my two seater and I don't even have a boot!

Dan Trent

1,866 posts

169 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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Strong work!

Dan

Mr Tidy

22,441 posts

128 months

Sunday 25th December 2016
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2 GKC said:
Whilslaught appreciating I'll probably be shot at dawn for this, I'm going to say it anyway. That manual gearshift just looks wrong in this car to me. A manual Jag? Really? I'd take a manual in most cars, but to me in a Jag (and a Merc for that matter), they're not right. There, I said it.
But that is the whole point of this - to get a manual 21st Century Jag with a petrol engine!

The F-Type suits a manual (as would a petrol XE if Jaguar made the effort to create one)!

Manual MKIIs, S-Types and E-Types command a premium over autos for a reason!

If you don't want a manual you should probably be looking at a diesel XF/XJ lardy cruiser.laugh

Richard-G

1,676 posts

176 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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anonymous said:
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completely agree, on my F it doesn't even have dual zone climate, it has all the dials and gubbins, you just have to pay £300 odd to get it working.

that always makes me laugh when i'm in and out of the company Peugeot 308's and they have all it smile

nit picking though, great car!

Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Saw one this morning. Lovely design and noise.

DonkeyApple

55,452 posts

170 months

Wednesday 28th December 2016
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Why do so many people seem to think 'point and squirt' is a negative attribute in a performance car? Surely with such a car the corners are more exciting and then you get far more fun from all the accelerating and breaking? Obviously a car that simply is bad in corners is a different prospect but in this example of the V6 and the V8 the 'point and squirt' attributes of the latter makebitbmuch more exciting and fun on the road. The better fluidity of the V6 is more of a benefit on a track looking for lap times, which obviously isn't what either car is bought for anyway.

Happyjap

382 posts

110 months

Friday 30th December 2016
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I think this is a beautiful car I would dream to have this, no way you could get this in Japan as they punish us on import taxes, in closing I will say, bicycle riding is for girls, im sorry English blokes in your leggings but this I believe the same as I believe sitting down to take a pee is feminine.

James Junior

827 posts

158 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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VanquishRider said:
Oh my god, get a grip. They nearly went bust 3 times listening to muppets with ideas like this. Do you think the C Type, D Type & E Type were all Auto's?

Next you will be saying they should only make a car that looks like it was designed in the fifties with a straight six and petrol engine. Look where that got PAG/Ford with Jaguar.

I would only buy this car with the manual. I want to enjoy driving it. Not think I'm in a semi autonomous Inter City 125 on the way to work.
You can have a different opinion without being rude and insulting you know. Bad form.



CABC

5,592 posts

102 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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how are you finding the width Dan?
i see it barely fits into the parking bay in the photo.
i know someone who runs a car experience company, the rest of the exotics fit into a transporter but the F needs driving to venues.
US influence i guess.

kambites

67,599 posts

222 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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CABC said:
i know someone who runs a car experience company, the rest of the exotics fit into a transporter but the F needs driving to venues.
It's certainly a wide car, but it's not as wide as most things I'd consider "exotic" - it's (marginally) narrower than anything Ferrari or Lamborghini make.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

119 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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James Junior said:
You can have a different opinion without being rude and insulting you know. Bad form.
Clearly.

Not an F Type but my Dad has an XE.

The 8 speed ZF is a brilliant gearbox. Feels just as good, if not better, than the DSG in my old Golf GTI felt.

I haven't driven an F-type but the whole character of the car does not seem in keeping with a manual gearbox. I can't say any of the journo's have complained about the ZF box in the F-Type anyway...

An M3, or a 911, sure, a manual may be a bit more "desirable" because it's a bit more aggressive and get up and go but most of the F Types are bought by the "older" chap or someone as a status symbol rather than a back road blasting machine..

CABC

5,592 posts

102 months

Tuesday 3rd January 2017
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kambites said:
It's certainly a wide car, but it's not as wide as most things I'd consider "exotic" - it's (marginally) narrower than anything Ferrari or Lamborghini make.
i'm only quoting... others include gallardo, vantage, ferrari (forget which, i guess not a 430 as that's also wide?), maser gt, 911 (getting fatter but i guess still relatively small!). I think it's the wing mirrors. no doubt someone will look up the specs!