RE: Second-gen McLaren Super Series first look
Sunday 8th January 2017
It's certainly not beyond McLaren to undertake a drawn-out launch schedule, the #BlackSwanMoments used for the Sports Series perhaps the most obvious example (or offender) of the practice. Time to prepare for another (hopefully less indulgent) new McLaren reveal though, as the second generation Super Series will be at Geneva.
Quite a way for the old one to go - bring on the next!The Super Series is the 650S, the car that was the 12C and, once upon a time, the MP4-12C. Seems a while ago now, doesn't it? As such it's the first replacement of a product family from McLaren, and the first of 15 new cars due under the Track22 strategy that will see all of those arrive in the next five years. That includes the 'reborn' F1, don't forget.
Second-gen McLaren Super Series first look
650S replacement due for Geneva debut, underpinned by this Monocage II
Quite a way for the old one to go - bring on the next!
As for the next Super Series, McLaren has confirmed that the carbon Monocage II seen here is lighter than the "carbon fibre and metal cockpit architecture" currently used. Point being that most of what used to be aluminium in the 650S - and adding to the original Monocell - is now carbon, reducing weight and adding rigidity. For reference the first Monocage was used in the P1 and weighed 90kg.
The lowest dry weight for the next Super Series is 1,283kg, 18kg less than for the equivalent 650S. Moreover, the Monocage has allowed "a wider cabin entrance and lower sill to improve access" with the promise of "excellent all-round visibility" once inside. Oh yes, and it's lowered the centre of gravity too.
So far, so promising for the next McLaren then. We've been told to expect full details at the Geneva show, along with more images and pricing. While not confirmed, a teaser or three before then seems likely as well. Stay tuned!
Discussion
mwstewart said:
Sounds good. I am slightly surprised at the 18kg difference; I expected more so I assume there's additional equipment in the new car.
To take 18kgs out of something that is already considerably lighter than its rivals is quite hard. Knocking 18kgs out of a 2.5 tonne luxo-barge....less so.E65Ross said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
thats the best thing about spending 200k+ on a new mclaren, no matter when you do it 4 weeks later what ever you bought has been replaced with a "better" model
Which is clearly different from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Pagani etc etcConsumer goods, yachts, military hardware, planes, bicycles... it's the only way that demand can be stimulated in such a saturated market;
make people unhappy with their perfectly adequate whatever and suck them into buying whatever v1.01
bertie said:
The new super series really is going to be awesome from what I see and hear.
Editorial correction though.....The title correctly says this is the new "Super series" car but then the article calls it the "sport series" which is the 570.
Good spot, thank you! Sorted now...Editorial correction though.....The title correctly says this is the new "Super series" car but then the article calls it the "sport series" which is the 570.
Matt
So looking at the roof and expected doors this the the monocell that reconnects the future cars to their first one and is the approximation of the tub for the new F1.
Lucky for Porsche they haven't pulled it slighly to be able to drop a couple of kiddy seats in.
Hope it is not just an upgrade for the same set of models built again but better. It likely is.
Lucky for Porsche they haven't pulled it slighly to be able to drop a couple of kiddy seats in.
Hope it is not just an upgrade for the same set of models built again but better. It likely is.
Industry leading technology from McLaren once again. The boys from Woking are really at the top of their game and leaving the Germans and Italians standing.
Another wake up call for the leading brands who have had it their own way for far too long and for which you pay through the nose for the name.
Well done McLaren bettering the 650S is some feat in itself as that's an astonishing car for the money
Another wake up call for the leading brands who have had it their own way for far too long and for which you pay through the nose for the name.
Well done McLaren bettering the 650S is some feat in itself as that's an astonishing car for the money
Matt Bird said:
bertie said:
The new super series really is going to be awesome from what I see and hear.
Editorial correction though.....The title correctly says this is the new "Super series" car but then the article calls it the "sport series" which is the 570.
Good spot, thank you! Sorted now...Editorial correction though.....The title correctly says this is the new "Super series" car but then the article calls it the "sport series" which is the 570.
Matt
article said:
As for the next Sports Series
andarticle said:
The lowest dry weight for the next Sports Series is 1,283kg, 18kg less than for the equivalent 650S.
Shouldn't both of those read Super? i.e. the article is about the new 650, not the new 570...or am I just 
RamboLambo said:
Industry leading technology from McLaren once again. The boys from Woking are really at the top of their game and leaving the Germans and Italians standing.
Another wake up call for the leading brands who have had it their own way for far too long and for which you pay through the nose for the name.
Well done McLaren bettering the 650S is some feat in itself as that's an astonishing car for the money
I wouldn't say they're leaving the other marques standing, but they're certainly giving them a good run. The 488GTB for example, isn't (as far as I'm aware) any slower around a track? I just know from multiple reviews the convertible version suffers scuttle shake, whereas that's not an issue in the McLaren.Another wake up call for the leading brands who have had it their own way for far too long and for which you pay through the nose for the name.
Well done McLaren bettering the 650S is some feat in itself as that's an astonishing car for the money
Evilex said:
Or, in fact, anything.
Consumer goods, yachts, military hardware, planes, bicycles... it's the only way that demand can be stimulated in such a saturated market;
make people unhappy with their perfectly adequate whatever and suck them into buying whatever v1.01
I think it's more down to obsolescence. You pay less for something which has been replaced by something superior. Stuff that doesn't become obsolescent doesn't change in price much - and may rise over time. Consumer goods, yachts, military hardware, planes, bicycles... it's the only way that demand can be stimulated in such a saturated market;
make people unhappy with their perfectly adequate whatever and suck them into buying whatever v1.01
Things that buck the trend:
1. Houses. Nobody has really invented House Mk 2, so we pay good prices for older houses. Better build quality? Porsche 993 v 996?
2. Fine wine. That's more supply and demand; the older stuff gets drunk, so there's less of it, but it tastes better. By all means try a 2012 Latour, but you'll get more pleasure (at more cost) with a 2001, or 1996.
I'm sure there are more. Anyway, I do agree with your general point. It's why I can't wait to test drive the new 4 cyl Boxster because it's much better than the 6 cyl...oh, hold on... ;-)
HeMightBeBanned said:
No doubt every car based on the new tub will feature a 3.8L twin-turbo V8 engine. Effective, it may be, but no-one seems to praise its character.
Nope. New P14 or 720S has a new 4 litre twin turbo with 720 bhp and is significantly quicker than the LT. not much or anything will touch the car in the way of performance HeMightBeBanned said:
No doubt every car based on the new tub will feature a 3.8L twin-turbo V8 engine. Effective, it may be, but no-one seems to praise its character.
Nope. New P14 or 720S has a new 4 litre twin turbo with 720 bhp and is significantly quicker than the LT. not much or anything will touch the car in the way of performance HeMightBeBanned said:
No doubt every car based on the new tub will feature a 3.8L twin-turbo V8 engine. Effective, it may be, but no-one seems to praise its character.
Nope. New P14 or 720S has a new 4 litre twin turbo with 720 bhp and is significantly quicker than the LT. not much or anything will touch the car in the way of performance Ray_Aber said:
I think it's more down to obsolescence. You pay less for something which has been replaced by something superior. Stuff that doesn't become obsolescent doesn't change in price much - and may rise over time.
Things that buck the trend:
1. Houses. Nobody has really invented House Mk 2, so we pay good prices for older houses. Better build quality? Porsche 993 v 996?
2. Fine wine. That's more supply and demand; the older stuff gets drunk, so there's less of it, but it tastes better. By all means try a 2012 Latour, but you'll get more pleasure (at more cost) with a 2001, or 1996.
I'm sure there are more. Anyway, I do agree with your general point. It's why I can't wait to test drive the new 4 cyl Boxster because it's much better than the 6 cyl...oh, hold on... ;-)
I deliberately avoided houses! Things that buck the trend:
1. Houses. Nobody has really invented House Mk 2, so we pay good prices for older houses. Better build quality? Porsche 993 v 996?
2. Fine wine. That's more supply and demand; the older stuff gets drunk, so there's less of it, but it tastes better. By all means try a 2012 Latour, but you'll get more pleasure (at more cost) with a 2001, or 1996.
I'm sure there are more. Anyway, I do agree with your general point. It's why I can't wait to test drive the new 4 cyl Boxster because it's much better than the 6 cyl...oh, hold on... ;-)
IF it is down to obsolescence, I'd be inclined to suggest that it's built-in at the design stage.
I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that big breakthroughs are held back so that consumers can gently "evolve" their way to them through countless incrementally improved product life cycles.
Thereby netting more $$$ for the manufacturers.
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