RE: Ram Rebel Black Edition for Detroit

RE: Ram Rebel Black Edition for Detroit

Thursday 5th January 2017

Ram Rebel Black Edition for Detroit

Massive pick-up not intimidating enough? Time for a Black pack!



This year's Detroit show promises to be a very interesting one. It's the first US show since the election of Donald Trump, but it's also likely to be dominated by future car tech like autonomous driving, smartphone connectivity and so on.

"Guys? Guys? I think I'm stuck."
"Guys? Guys? I think I'm stuck."
Not if Ram has anything to do with it! In a motoring world increasingly dominated by complexity and baffling specifications, it's a nice change to see a new model introduced presumably just because it makes a truck look really cool.

The Ram 1500 Rebel Black aims to build on the success of the standard Ram 1500 Rebel, a pick-up that reputedly brings "an aggressive, one-of-a-kind, off-road design to the full-size truck segment". Sadly it isn't based on the wild Ram Rebel TRX seen at LA, this Ram offered only with the regular Pentastar V6 (305hp) or Hemi V8 (395hp) engines.

Marking the Black out are, wouldn't you know, a few black design elements, namely the wheels (on 33-inch off-road tyres), brush guard and 'Katzkin' interior. It is available in all Rebel body colours, but who wouldn't want black having looked at these pics? Oversteering in the snow never looked so intimidating.

Otherwise it's standard Ram Rebel, which means uprated Bilstein dampers, skid plates, tow hooks and "other off-road-ready features" for the intrepid explorer in you.

After its debut at Detroit - we'll be sure to go and have a look - the Rebel Black will arrive in US dealerships this March. Prices start at $45,590 plus a $1,320 destination charge, or about £37,000. If a V6 Raptor doesn't fit the bill...



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mylesmcd

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2,533 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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terrible truck.

Just trying to match the Raptor - which it wont. Penstar is decent engine in a mini van, not a truck, hemi is loud, but life less.

The only decent thing it has is a Uconnect 8.4....


unpc

2,835 posts

213 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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I like it but I wouldn't have one over a Raptor.

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

115 months

Thursday 5th January 2017
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Nice. It has the right number of cylinders. I'd rather have a Ram Power Wagon and be able to tow 5 houses or a Ram Runner.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/power-wagon/


fivepointnine

708 posts

114 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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Unfortunately this truck, like the Tacoma TRD pro are not even remotely comparable to the Raptor, which is a purpose built offroad truck that can go 60mph over sand washes with 12"+ of front suspension travel. Nice try Ram, but keep trying.

mylesmcd

Original Poster:

2,533 posts

219 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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5ohmustang said:
Nice. It has the right number of cylinders. I'd rather have a Ram Power Wagon and be able to tow 5 houses or a Ram Runner.

http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/power-wagon/

but you could do all that stuff in the picture aftermarket on a 10 year old beater truck that you wouldnt mind wrecking!

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

115 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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mylesmcd said:
but you could do all that stuff in the picture aftermarket on a 10 year old beater truck that you wouldnt mind wrecking!
Yes exactly. Probably a lot cheaper. The ram runner was a Mopar package that was dealer installed. I believe it was more expensive than a Raptor. However a Ram Runner is very rare while Raptors are everywhere.

ReaderScars

6,087 posts

176 months

Friday 6th January 2017
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How predictable, lazy and clichéd - an article about a US car and you can't stop yourself from bringing Trump into it, second sentence. -5 points for the first paragraph.

308mate

13,757 posts

222 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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Why the HELL would you have a V6 Raptor?

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

115 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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Exactly. They won't sell many. They did a great job switching to an aluminum body.

The only 6 cylinder that is widely accepted in America are the Dodge contracted Cummins diesel straight 6's.

There's hardly any improvement in fuel economy and more expensive to maintain.

It's fords way of giving customers vehicle configurations they don't want.

308mate

13,757 posts

222 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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ReaderScars said:
How predictable, lazy and clichéd - an article about a US car and you can't stop yourself from bringing Trump into it, second sentence. -5 points for the first paragraph.
Given his wild swing in policy for domestic industry, his views of climate change (and the implications for emissions) and his campaign promises for the rust belt, the first big US motor show after his inauguration is somewhat relevant, as the world might start to get a sense of how Detroit plans to capitalise on his presidency.




Edited by 308mate on Sunday 8th January 15:59

Willy Nilly

12,511 posts

167 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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5ohmustang said:
Exactly. They won't sell many. They did a great job switching to an aluminum body.

The only 6 cylinder that is widely accepted in America are the Dodge contracted Cummins diesel straight 6's.

There's hardly any improvement in fuel economy and more expensive to maintain.

It's fords way of giving customers vehicle configurations they don't want.
There's plenty of 6 cylinder engines that would kick those pickups in the nuts, give them a Chinese burn and shag their mum. The C18 for example. To be honest, it's C9.3 little brother would stick it's tongue out at them too.

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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Cummins or bust.

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

115 months

Sunday 8th January 2017
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Willy Nilly said:
There's plenty of 6 cylinder engines that would kick those pickups in the nuts, give them a Chinese burn and shag their mum. The C18 for example. To be honest, it's C9.3 little brother would stick it's tongue out at them too.
Both of those are engines that would no way fit in a ram. There the kind of engines in a Kenworth or Peterbilt.

I've worked on a c7 and that was huge.

The Cummins although not a v8, when opened up sound nasty.

I still have not seen the new Cummins Nissan titans yet.


mylesmcd

Original Poster:

2,533 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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5ohmustang said:
Exactly. They won't sell many. They did a great job switching to an aluminum body.

The only 6 cylinder that is widely accepted in America are the Dodge contracted Cummins diesel straight 6's.

There's hardly any improvement in fuel economy and more expensive to maintain.

It's fords way of giving customers vehicle configurations they don't want.
They will. As far as I am aware the Raptor is sold out for 2017 already. The 3.5 tt ecoboost is a hell of an engine, in American terms.

ReaderScars

6,087 posts

176 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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308mate said:
Given his wild swing in policy for domestic industry, his views of climate change (and the implications for emissions) and his campaign promises for the rust belt, the first big US motor show after his inauguration is somewhat relevant, as the world might start to get a sense of how Detroit plans to capitalise on his presidency.

Edited by 308mate on Sunday 8th January 15:59
Nope, just a tenuous link made by the writer between something current and American, and the current press release on this particular vehicle. Personally I'm sick of seeing Trump referenced on every site relating to news of *any* kind. All Trumped Out Already.

ChemicalChaos

10,393 posts

160 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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mylesmcd said:
5ohmustang said:
Exactly. They won't sell many. They did a great job switching to an aluminum body.

The only 6 cylinder that is widely accepted in America are the Dodge contracted Cummins diesel straight 6's.

There's hardly any improvement in fuel economy and more expensive to maintain.

It's fords way of giving customers vehicle configurations they don't want.
They will. As far as I am aware the Raptor is sold out for 2017 already. The 3.5 tt ecoboost is a hell of an engine, in American terms.
I hope it's significantly modified from the 3.5v6 Ecoboost we had in a Ford expedition last year, because that was bloody terrible. Sounded like a hoover when you floored it and had negligible power. Probably not helped by the autobox that made my early 90s ZF look quick-witted

mylesmcd

Original Poster:

2,533 posts

219 months

Tuesday 10th January 2017
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ChemicalChaos said:
mylesmcd said:
5ohmustang said:
Exactly. They won't sell many. They did a great job switching to an aluminum body.

The only 6 cylinder that is widely accepted in America are the Dodge contracted Cummins diesel straight 6's.

There's hardly any improvement in fuel economy and more expensive to maintain.

It's fords way of giving customers vehicle configurations they don't want.
They will. As far as I am aware the Raptor is sold out for 2017 already. The 3.5 tt ecoboost is a hell of an engine, in American terms.
I hope it's significantly modified from the 3.5v6 Ecoboost we had in a Ford expedition last year, because that was bloody terrible. Sounded like a hoover when you floored it and had negligible power. Probably not helped by the autobox that made my early 90s ZF look quick-witted
Raptor will be, 450 hp - but the stabdard peasant model is the one i was reffering to. Maybe the Expedition being absolutely massive wouldnt help the speed. In a standard F150 it will spin the wheels in 3rd!