RE: Porsche 911 GTS (991.II) - Detroit 2017
Monday 9th January 2017
While now increasingly ubiquitous, there's an unerring and continuing sense that the GTS Porsches are the pick of the range if you can't stretch to (or aren't selected for...) a GT product. This 991.II GTS is the latest, not the first turbo GTS of the modern era but of course the first turbocharged 911 GTS.
The formula is much as before, with some additional power, a few styling tweaks and one or two chassis upgrades. The Carrera S's 3.0-litre flat-six now has a pair of new turbos to yield 450hp, with torque up to 406lb ft (from 369lb ft) as well. In its most athletic specification - a C4 GTS with PDK - Porsche claims a 0-62mph time of 3.6 seconds. The top speed of all models is at least 186mph, with the manual C2 Coupe holding V-max honours with a 194mph maximum. Fuel consumption and CO2 are officially as low as 34mpg and 188g/km.
Marking them out cosmetically are the GTS trademark black accents (see the intakes, tips of the sports exhaust, badges and the strip between the lights), plus the wider AWD chassis (1,852mm across the rear arches) for all models. If you're struggling to tell the RWD and AWD models apart - we all do that, right? - note that the C4 GTS cars have an illuminated strip between the lights rather than a black one. Useful to know. All models received a new 'Sport Design' front splitter, a rear spoiler that rises higher to reduce lift and the smoked rear light lenses.
With the wraps having just come off the 911 GTS at Detroit, the car is available to order at your local OPC now. Prices kick off at £94,316 for the manual 911 C2 GTS coupe, which places it right at AMG GT money as well as the fruitier F-Types and the 'Engineered by NISMO' GT-R. For a 911 C4 GTS Coupe you're looking at £99,303, with the cabrios starting at £103,158. Both the C4 GTS Cabriolet and Targa 4 GTS are identically priced, at £108,144. Don't forget about that options spend too... First deliveries are due in March.
Porsche 911 GTS (991.II) - Detroit 2017
More power than a 997 GT3, widebody look for all and a standard manual - the turbo 991 of choice?
As previously, the 911 GTS will be offered as a coupe, cabrio or Targa and with rear- or four-wheel drive, although the Targa is four-wheel drive only. If you're getting the heaviest one, why not go all out? As standard all of the GTS variants are fitted with the PASM also on the Carrera S, but the coupes have that superseded by PASM with sports suspension which drops the car another 10mm.
Liberal Alcantara applications adorn the interior to remind you this is the sporty one, along with a smattering of GTS badges. Should you wish to test the sporty credentials of your 911 GTS, a standard Porsche Track Precision app has been "further enhanced" for its installation, now boasting the capacity for automatic recording and analysis of driving data on your phone.
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Discussion
je777 said:
How long before a 'regular' 911 is available from tuners that has the same power as 'turbo' 911?
And won't they be significantly cheaper?
And not 4wd.
Isn't this likely to affect sales of the 'turbo' somewhat?
You get more bang for your buck with a GTS. 4wd body for starters plus sports kit and extra interior kit so cheaper than speccing up a standard car. GTS is available as 2wd, 4wd, Targa and convertible.And won't they be significantly cheaper?
And not 4wd.
Isn't this likely to affect sales of the 'turbo' somewhat?
GroundEffect said:
This car is not far off the 997 Turbo power. Mad.
It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
What depreciation is that? I lost just £4k on the last two Porsche's I had and kept both for more than a year in each case: Cayman R and Cayman GTS.It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
997.2 GTS are still crazy money.
981C said:
GroundEffect said:
This car is not far off the 997 Turbo power. Mad.
It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
What depreciation is that? I lost just £4k on the last two Porsche's I had and kept both for more than a year in each case: Cayman R and Cayman GTS.It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
997.2 GTS are still crazy money.
It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
GroundEffect said:
That's still £4k in the cost of ownership.
It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
Looking through your car history I seriously doubt that. It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
However my point still stands. There is a relative lack of depreciation on porsches compared to other 100k new cars
cowboyengineer said:
GroundEffect said:
That's still £4k in the cost of ownership.
It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
Looking through your car history I seriously doubt that. It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
However my point still stands. There is a relative lack of depreciation on porsches compared to other 100k new cars
But for the value of the car loosing 4k is not bad going but lets face it you were able and bought the right 911's which have a better chance of retaining their value.
cowboyengineer said:
GroundEffect said:
That's still £4k in the cost of ownership.
It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
Looking through your car history I seriously doubt that. It may stem from the fact that in the 11 years of driving, I have lost a net ~£0 in total on depreciation. I buy cars that don't depreciate.
However my point still stands. There is a relative lack of depreciation on porsches compared to other 100k new cars
Hitch said:
je777 said:
Isn't this likely to affect sales of the 'turbo' somewhat?
Probably not, because 911 Turbo drivers want to drive the halo model and can afford to do so. I don't know anyone who regularly buys new expensive cars who is into tuning. Maybe once the regular (non-GTS, probably) versions have depreciated in a few years it'll be a relatively cheap way to a great deal of power.
nutcase said:
Maybe I'm being blind, but couldn't see it in the article- is this manual the old 7 speed unit or the coveted new 6 speeder from the 991 R?
According to the press releases its the 7-speed which was revised for the 991.2 release, so the same box as fitted in the 991.2 Carrera and Carrera S models currently.Looks like the six-speed is being reserved for the 991.2 GT3 model ...
GroundEffect said:
This car is not far off the 997 Turbo power. Mad.
It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
Eh? It is a lovely thing. It's Porsche depreciation that puts me off them...
Unless you're dropping 100K on an appreciating classic I've no idea where there is a slower depreciating car other than a Porsche. We recently looked at a few OPC Cayman S's and they are still commanding crazy money after a year.
Cayman GTS list 55k call it 63 with choice options.
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
Man maths says to me in it's 1st year, it will drop a lot less than other Marques. a quick comparison with an M4 in it's 1st year dropped 25%.
Am I doing this right?
Unless you're going for a very low volume, uber desirable, high demand special edition (this springs to mind http://auto.ferrari.com/en_US/news-events/news/wor... as does the Cayman GT4 or 991R) the best you can hope is a car that sheds very little in it's 1st year.
I could be wrong however......
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