RE: ?100K Garage: Martin Joyce

RE: ?100K Garage: Martin Joyce

Saturday 21st January 2017

£100K Garage: Martin Joyce

PHer Martin spent 20 years at Jag, which has influenced his choices just a tad...



Name: Martin Joyce
Previously owned: Ford Cortina, Vauxhall Cavalier SRi 1.8l and 2.0l, Vauxhall Astra GTE, Metro GTi, more Ford Escorts, Sierras, Fiestas and Mondeos than I can list, Ford Sapphire Cosworth 4x4, Ford Escort Cosworth, Ford Racing Puma, Jaguar XJ8, numerous Jaguar X Types, VW Golf GTI Mk5, Honda Accord, Seat Leon FR x 2 , Ford Ranger, Mazda B2500.

Bikes including SS50, CB125T, XL100, XL250, CD200, CM200, CG125, CBX250, CB400, RG500, GPz500, GPz550 x 2 , CBX550, GSX750, CBX750, VFR750 x 5, VFR800, VFR800 VTEC, ZZR100, CB1100R
Currently owned: Toyota Hilux, Ford Fiesta ST
On the shortlist: Honda CRX, Toyota MR2 Mk1, Toyota Celica GT4, Mazda MX-5 Mk1, BMW M5 (E39), Honda S2000, Honda CB1100R

"I had the pleasure of working at Jaguar from 1983 to 2002 and during that time had the chance to drive every contemporary Jaguar (excluding the XJ220, which isn't really a Jaguar!) and competitor cars from other OEMs. I had Ford/Jaguars as company cars from 1989 and whenever possible took the chance to have the interesting Fords of the day. As such I've driven almost everything on my shortlist but surprisingly only two of my choices are Jags."


70s:Jaguar E-Type S2 Coupe
Cost:
£33,450
Balance: £66,550
Why I chose it: "I've never driven one. I had nothing to do with them when I worked for Jaguar, but I still have my Corgi die-cast E-Type that I was given when I was about six. Any E-Type looks amazing. Very unfashionably I prefer the V12 Coupe (and then the S1 3.8 is 'undertyred') but frankly this one is selected as the only I can afford and still have some money left. Also everyone I knew at Jaguar told me that driving them is a disappointment so, as I am choosing it for the looks alone, the engine doesn't matter that much. I will miss not having the four tailpipes of the V12 though!"


80s:Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth
Cost:
£17,995
Balance: £48,555
Why I chose it: "I had a 4x4 one of these as a company car. J237 VAC. May 19 to Nov 4 1992 - what a fantastic car. Yes, I have the dates and registrations of every car! Most of the Cosworths at Jaguar got nicked but I was lucky and at the age of 29 I was driving a Cosworth! It went, it handled, it seated five people, it had a good boot and it was comfortable. In black it was hard to spot it was a Cosworth (I love a Q-car!). Well I wore out the third gear synchro in 17K miles, the turbo was held on with 10 bolts (it had four left at one service) and the inlet manifold also shed bolts as well. But I forgave it all of these things as it was so great to drive. Given the choice though I fancy the RWD original Sapphire for its lighter weight. This example looks nice, again in black and with an interesting bit of history."

90s:Honda RVF750 RC45
Cost:
£33,980
Balance: £14,575
Why I chose it: "I've never driven/ridden one of these either. I've had bikes from the age of 16 and most of them have been Hondas, the engineering of which generally sets them apart from the other Japanese manufacturers. My dream bike when I grew up was the CB1100R homologation special (1981 to 1983) and I managed to buy one in 1988 and then sold it in 2010 (now a much regretted sale!). However my daily road bike for the past 10 years has been either a Honda VFR-750 or 800. I just love the feel and sound of the V4 engine. Given my love of Honda's engineering, coupled with the sound of a V4 engine, the only bike to include had to be either an RC30 or RC45. Hard to choose between them but as there aren't any RC30s for sale on PistonHeads at the moment this beautiful, completely standard RC45 with less than 1,000 miles get the vote."


00s:Jaguar XJR 100
Cost:
£9,995
Balance: £4,580
Why I chose it: "I worked at Jaguar for 20 years and in my time there I had a fairly big part to do with both the original 4.0-litre V8 engine and supercharging it. There is no doubt that the aluminium XJ8 (X350) from 2003 onwards with the 4.2-litre engine is a better car in every measurable way. But firstly, it's not 'my' version of the engine and, secondly, it's just not as pretty as the X308 (1997 to 2002). This limited edition 100 version to celebrate Sir William Lyon's centenary is just gorgeous. It's perfect with its black exterior, black interior and split rim 19" wheels. A great, great car to 'waft' along on a long journey, yet still with a surprising ability to handle a British B-road as well. An emotional choice for me! [Sadly Martin's choice of XJR has sold; the ad is still live but you can see the other cars for sale here].




Author
Discussion

HLS30

Original Poster:

20 posts

110 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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$45000 for a 20 year old bike? It would need a gold bar in the tools to make me even look at it. I was also a Ford minion for many years, but my preference was either Mustangs or Lincolns. Interesting commentary - thanks for the peek under the tent.

dinkel

26,934 posts

258 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Readers post your 100K garage here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Bencolem

1,016 posts

239 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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dinkel said:
Readers post your 100K garage here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Why?

I like the new format, well done Pistonheads for listening to feedback and salvaging the feature!

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

88 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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I'll probably be strung up, but I've never really got the fuss about E types. Underwheeled other than the lightweights, and too much bonnet.

Fast Fords have always been great, but a Sapphire? Really?

And surely the last of the steel XJRs are much better (looking) cars? Those aluminium ones were better cars, but again too ugly.

Not my garage by a long way!

martin12345

602 posts

89 months

Saturday 21st January 2017
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Robert-nszl1 said:
I'll probably be strung up, but I've never really got the fuss about E types. Underwheeled other than the lightweights, and too much bonnet.

Fast Fords have always been great, but a Sapphire? Really?

And surely the last of the steel XJRs are much better (looking) cars? Those aluminium ones were better cars, but again too ugly.

Not my garage by a long way!
Everyone is entitled to their own garage
All I'd say is

E-type - I fell in love as a 6 year old - under-tyred I agree but I still love them
Sapphire - ever driven one, I've driven both hatch and saloon Sierra's and the Sapphire is a nice car with better refinement than the hatch
XJR - I did pick one of the last steel bodied ones (X308) for exactly the reason you say - it's a better looking car than the X350

david hockney

1,200 posts

153 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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It's a fallacy that the E type is a disappointment to drive.
I have a 3.8 FHC and it's an absolute blast to drive...
After a full restoration it took a while of tinkering to get it set up just right
but there is no doubt a well sorted 3.8 E type is a joy to drive ( I've not driven
any other versions)- you can blast it down country roads like a go cart, the
steering has superb feedback and feel at high speed.
It's for this reason the motoring press raved about the E type Jag when it was first released -
nothing has changed.
The Aston DB5 in comparison drives like a rowing boat.





Edited by david hockney on Sunday 22 January 01:13

LanceRS

2,172 posts

137 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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Isn't that the Cosworth that Clarkson used on Top Gear a few years ago?

Robert-nszl1

401 posts

88 months

Sunday 22nd January 2017
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david hockney said:
It's a fallacy that the E type is a disappointment to drive.
I have a 3.8 FHC and it's an absolute blast to drive...
After a full restoration it took a while of tinkering to get it set up just right
but there is no doubt a well sorted 3.8 E type is a joy to drive ( I've not driven
any other versions)- you can blast it down country roads like a go cart, the
steering has superb feedback and feel at high speed.
It's for this reason the motoring press raved about the E type Jag when it was first released -
nothing has changed.
The Aston DB5 in comparison drives like a rowing boat.





Edited by david hockney on Sunday 22 January 01:13
Wasn't suggesting that they aren't good cars to drive (though have heard many say they aren't, though haven't ever myself), more that I find the look a bit overrated. I recognise the vast majority of people will disagree with that view.

And the Sapphire? It's just a bit bland......

dinkel

26,934 posts

258 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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Cars that old are tinkered and maintained for well over 50 years. I can only imagine that does something to a car don't you think so?

Every cars drives different. According to owners specs...

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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I suspect rose tinted glasses are a large part of the appeal of the Sierra!

smilo996

2,783 posts

170 months

Monday 23rd January 2017
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HLS30 said:
$45000 for a 20 year old bike? It would need a gold bar in the tools to make me even look at it. I was also a Ford minion for many years, but my preference was either Mustangs or Lincolns. Interesting commentary - thanks for the peek under the tent.
Not much of a bike fan then.


Nice choices. You had me that the XJR. There is just something about them I really like.

Then the RC45. Not the pinnacle of Honda's but that V4 is a real peach.