Red Bull Racing Edition Vantage
Discussion
I appreciate Andy wants/needs to try and keep sales up, but the frequency of "specials" is becoming too much for me. You don't see Ferrari rolling out parts bin specials every 6 months so why are Aston.
I don't think a Red Bull edition is going to persuade non-Aston owners to rush out and buy one. If they want to keep sales buoyant until the curtain falls on the Vantage line then they would be far better throwing in some options FOC I'd have thought, that would be more likely to bring sales than painting a stock car blue and red and then saying it's a special.
If you're genuinely going to make a Special edition then do it properly, don't just ask the trainee to pick some colours and away you go.
As for specials, the SP10 was the best in my eyes.
I don't think a Red Bull edition is going to persuade non-Aston owners to rush out and buy one. If they want to keep sales buoyant until the curtain falls on the Vantage line then they would be far better throwing in some options FOC I'd have thought, that would be more likely to bring sales than painting a stock car blue and red and then saying it's a special.
If you're genuinely going to make a Special edition then do it properly, don't just ask the trainee to pick some colours and away you go.
As for specials, the SP10 was the best in my eyes.
Its a very lazy attempt at a special edition..........
I personally don't like the yellow calipers with the other red accents.
If AM are not careful they will start to lose all that good work they have done recently, the Spitfire 80 special edition was an absolute banger, but this I'm afraid is not to my liking at all.
Its like a lucky dip car, throw your hand in the parts bin and see what comes out.
I personally don't like the yellow calipers with the other red accents.
If AM are not careful they will start to lose all that good work they have done recently, the Spitfire 80 special edition was an absolute banger, but this I'm afraid is not to my liking at all.
Its like a lucky dip car, throw your hand in the parts bin and see what comes out.
I don't have the same problems with this edition that some do on here, but as someone passionate about the brand, it does really annoy me for two very specific reasons, that I'm sure away from the confines of an Aston enthusiast forum may seem somewhat (or very) anoraky
The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
jonby said:
I don't have the same problems with this edition that some do on here, but as someone passionate about the brand, it does really annoy me for two very specific reasons, that I'm sure away from the confines of an Aston enthusiast forum may seem somewhat (or very) anoraky
The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
Yes but a good well thought out rant so time well spent The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
RobDown said:
Based on the above, shirly the biggest mistake is launching it on a Tuesday morning and not Friday when people are happier
Indeed, even PH don't seem too taken with this one - just look at the headlineRed Bull and Aston 'Innovation Partnership' marked with... carbon trim and diamond quilting
http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/ast...
Edited by jonby on Tuesday 21st February 10:22
sukh_m said:
........that's better and I agree with you. It's just another mindless marketing gimmick. The sad thing is that they will probably all be snapped up no doubt.Many many apologies for my ranting
I've figured it out
There is a masterplan after all
This is actually about Geneva to make sure the others don't steal the limelight:
Mclaren 720S
Ferrari 812 superfast
Lamborghini Huracan Performante
Bentley Continental Supersports
Aston Martin Vantage Red Bull edition.......
I've figured it out
There is a masterplan after all
This is actually about Geneva to make sure the others don't steal the limelight:
Mclaren 720S
Ferrari 812 superfast
Lamborghini Huracan Performante
Bentley Continental Supersports
Aston Martin Vantage Red Bull edition.......
jonby said:
I don't have the same problems with this edition that some do on here, but as someone passionate about the brand, it does really annoy me for two very specific reasons, that I'm sure away from the confines of an Aston enthusiast forum may seem somewhat (or very) anoraky
The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
I think if AM had spent the same amount of time and attention to this 'special' edition as you had done on your finely written description of the car, then they might have got it right. However, they haven't. Nice piece of work.....10/10The first is the old chestnut of staggering lack of attention to detail in the release. They repeatedly make the same mistake - who proof reads it, who signs it off, how on earth can they resolve the massive disconnect between the different departments that put this stuff together ?
My issue is with the difference between the text of the release and the photos. If you look at Aston's own site, where the car is depicted with CGI, there are loads of photos and a detailed release. So here goes:
Carbon mirrors in some close ups, body coloured paint in most others
Regular wing badges on the front, CF badge in a close up of the rear
Carbon fibre rear light infills in some photos, black in others
Red (amateurish looking) stripe on the side strake shown in some photos as referred to in the press release, but appears in yellow in some photos
Ditto for the carbon fibre front grille
Stated to have diamond quilted seats, but no diamond quilting in the photos
Stated to have alcantara steering wheel with stripe at 12'0 - see this photo which is no longer on the aston site and the wheel is actually depicted in leather
https://images.cdn.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co....
Meanwhile, just about the only two features to actually merit Q badge status, the carbon fibre topped interior door panels and the red painted centre console dials, appear in the photos but aren't mentioned in the release
Finally and more subjectively, odd to have standard seats in the formula one edition car
So a gold medal to anyone who actually can work out what the spec of this car actually is and meanwhile, it's the lack of attention to detail when they are doing so much great stuff right now that really frustrates me. This has nothing to do with not having the budget of Porsche and everything to do with focussing on the wrong areas if you want to inspire confidence in buyers
Right with that rant over, the launching of the edition itself. Personally, I have no problem with special/limited editions. Yes in answer to the post above, Ferrari do this type of thing too - the 599 Alonso edition and 550 (or was it 575) record edition spring to mind. This could have been launched as a special edition with no production limit, for a modest premium. It could have been a limited edition with a slightly less modest premium. It could have been a way to launch a new option across the range of 'red bull livery' to celebrate the partnership, again for a premium
If someone had just specced their car at the factory like this, I suspect we would be saying congrats, nice car. But this is a Q badged car and after all the problems they have had in getting Q right, then finally seeming like they are on track (the Spitfire edition is a tremendous showcase of exactly what Q is all about), this IMO takes them 5 steps backwards. The press release makes no mention of numbers, but Autocar say 20-30 cars. The largest number of Q cars from one edition that I can recall is 9. The Q badge is supposed to indicate rarity, something genuinely different. This edition will consist of a load of cars with very little different. Indeed other than the stripe on the sidestrake and the red bull graphic on same, the exterior is 100% standard option stuff - colour already exists as an option as does every other element of the exterior
Interior, well perhaps it does have diamond quilted stitch but that's not in the photos. So you get (perhaps) red knobs, perhaps carbon fibre capped interior door panels, an inspection plate signed by someone who hasn't inspected the car nor is employed by the factory and then the same on the kick plate. Really ? Someone has been paid to come up with this as a Q car ? And then either sell it for a huge premium (in return for very little) or not for a huge premium, which devalues the Q badge
Again, as a limited/special edition car the spec is fine, if a little unimaginative. But as a Q car it dismally fails. Plus, you are paying a huge premium for 'rarity', without being told what the production cap is
I can't help wonder if I'm missing something here. For example, if Red Bull wanted to commission some 'staff cars' and the factory have decided to offer them to the public too. But without some additional information, this is just poorly thought through
Right rant over, I obviously have far too much time on my hands !
king swear word and no others. Not enough imagination put into swearing. Still only a 7.5/10 from me
So manufacturers slap all kinds of monikers on their models to make them "special" or "premium". It's been going on forever. Here's just a few I looked up quickly.
The Challenger comes in four levels: SXT, R/T, SRT8 392 and SRT8 Core.
The Mustang comes in V6 Fastback, Ecoboost Fastback, V6 Convetible, Ecoboost Premium Fastback, GT Fastback, Ecoboost Premium Convertible, GT Premium Fastback, GT Premium Convertible, Shelby GT350, Shelby GT350R.
The Corvette, 1LT, 2 LT, 3LT, Z51 1LT, Z51 2LT, Z51 3LT ......
And if you go back it's always been the same. The actual mechanical changes may be slight or significant. Apparently it works or they'd have stopped doing it. Hell, even magazines are doing it with different cover pictures for the same issue.
Yes, those are 'models' and not special editions but it's really all the same.
From The Incredibles - When everyone's Special, then no one's Special.
The Challenger comes in four levels: SXT, R/T, SRT8 392 and SRT8 Core.
The Mustang comes in V6 Fastback, Ecoboost Fastback, V6 Convetible, Ecoboost Premium Fastback, GT Fastback, Ecoboost Premium Convertible, GT Premium Fastback, GT Premium Convertible, Shelby GT350, Shelby GT350R.
The Corvette, 1LT, 2 LT, 3LT, Z51 1LT, Z51 2LT, Z51 3LT ......
And if you go back it's always been the same. The actual mechanical changes may be slight or significant. Apparently it works or they'd have stopped doing it. Hell, even magazines are doing it with different cover pictures for the same issue.
Yes, those are 'models' and not special editions but it's really all the same.
From The Incredibles - When everyone's Special, then no one's Special.
Edited by old phart on Tuesday 21st February 14:45
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