RE: New Honda Civic Type R - Geneva 2017

RE: New Honda Civic Type R - Geneva 2017

Tuesday 7th March 2017

New Honda Civic Type R - Geneva 2017

What, already? Yes, all-new Civic Type R is here and it's even madder than the last one (new pics added)



Having run one as a long-termer, taken it to the Nurburgring and compared it with rivals new and old, we learned to admire the turbocharged FK2 Civic Type R. Indeed, it still seems like a new car. But here comes its replacement already! That fast turnaround is because the last Type R meant a heavy re-engineering job for Honda and its Civic platform. Rather than have the Type R ready to roll out immediately the development work required meant it didn't arrive until late in the product cycle. 

You were expecting something shy?
You were expecting something shy?
This new Type R, revealed today at Geneva and on sale in the autumn, was instead part of the plan from the very beginning, meaning it follows hot on the heels of the standard version that launched earlier this year. It will cost slightly more than today's £30,000 asking price.

The Type R might be known as one of the more track-focused hot hatches, but there's a change of tone for this generation. Indeed, Honda says it will strike the perfect balance between performance and comfort. "We are trying to balance two aspects. Some rivals focus on extreme performance and others are going in the comfort direction. We want to go right in the middle," says the model's project boss Hideki Kakinuma. That's largely because the Type R will sell in America for the first time, so Honda needs to appeal to a broader audience.

But Type R fans, have no fear. Kakinuma confirmed to us Honda is still going for the elusive Nurburgring front-wheel drive lap record this spring. It's got some catching up to do. A pre-production version of the outgoing Type R held the record until last May, when Volkswagen's Golf GTI Clubsport S stole the crown, recording a lap time of 7min 49.21sec, 1.4 seconds faster than the Type R. Honda responded last summer by setting new front-wheel-drive car lap records at five European racing circuits. And then VW returned to the Nordschleife and took another two seconds off its time, just for good measure. 

Lower CoG, more power, independent rear axle...
Lower CoG, more power, independent rear axle...
So what about the figures? The Type R uses the same turbocharged 2.0-litre VTEC engine as the outgoing model, with power increased by 10hp to 320hp at 6,500rpm. Torque is the same at 295lb ft from 2,500rpm to 4,500rpm. While the engine has the same fundamental design exhaust flow has been improved and the mapping updated, Honda claiming improved throttle response - a big problem with the previous car - and driveability as a result.  

Weight is "just about the same" as the existing Type R - 1,382kg - so along with the slight rise in power you can bank on a token reduction in the FK2's 5.7 seconds from 0-62mph. There's nothing official yet, though.

The hot hatch also keeps a six-speed manual rather than opting for a dual-clutch auto like some of its rivals. "We want to offer customers the joy of shifting for themselves," says Kakinuma. It also gets a new rev-match control system for smoother gearshifts if you're not a heel'n'toe master. Hopefully it's switchable for those who are!  

Longer, lower and wider than before, the model's centre of gravity is 34mm lower while the driver's hip point is 50mm lower. It uses the bodyshell of the standard Civic and with further use of adhesive in key areas; accordingly its torsional rigidity is 39 per cent improved compared to the previous Type R, claims Honda.

Orders are being taken now!
Orders are being taken now!
The Macpherson strut suspension of the standard model has also been revised for the Type R with new geometry intended to minimise torque steer and "maximise sporty handling", to use Honda's words. It also uses the same multi-link rear axle - yes, the torsion beam has gone! - as the standard Civic, but adds high-rigidity suspension arms. 

The aerodynamics are also improved with a smoother underbody, front air curtain, a lightweight rear wing and vortex generators on the roof line. Honda claims the result is a best-in-class balance between lift and drag.

There's something else new for die-hard Type R fans, which hopefully means its track ability will be even better than before. That's the three drive modes. The sensible one, Comfort, should make the car feel like a standard Civic, while Sport is the default mode. The R mode - familiar from the FK2 - is "a bit harder than before" according to Kakinuma. "We've extended the spectrum of the modes," he adds. We'll look forward to putting that promise to the test soon as soon as possible. 

[Rachel Burgess] 





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loudlashadjuster

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5,130 posts

185 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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That reminds me, I must feed the dog...

CoolHands

18,691 posts

196 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Love it. Makes the last one look tame.

PixelpeepS3

8,600 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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all that power and it can barely manage to dip below 6 seconds to 60? - not going to win any top trumps or traffic light GP's with that, are we...

i get there will be more to the story, in gear acceleration, feel, handling etc etc but it just makes me wonder are they fighting a losing battle keeping it FWD ?

maybe they should do a watered down FWD type-R with say 250bhp, better economy , cheaper to produce and maintain and then do an 'RR' or something with 400bhp and AWD - they make amazingly good AWD stuff so its not like its unfamiliar territory.

IMO, they are so nearly there with a genuine focus RS rival if only it could have an answer for it off the line..

hammo19

5,025 posts

197 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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"What old spares have we got in the stock room?" "Just stick as much on to the body as possible - that'll make it look sporty"

Tickle

4,927 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
all that power and it can barely manage to dip below 6 seconds to 60? - not going to win any top trumps or traffic light GP's with that, are we...

i get there will be more to the story, in gear acceleration, feel, handling etc etc but it just makes me wonder are they fighting a losing battle keeping it FWD ?

maybe they should do a watered down FWD type-R with say 250bhp, better economy , cheaper to produce and maintain and then do an 'RR' or something with 400bhp and AWD - they make amazingly good AWD stuff so its not like its unfamiliar territory.

IMO, they are so nearly there with a genuine focus RS rival if only it could have an answer for it off the line..
Do people actulally do traffic light grand prix?

hondafanatic

4,969 posts

202 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Tickle said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
all that power and it can barely manage to dip below 6 seconds to 60? - not going to win any top trumps or traffic light GP's with that, are we...

i get there will be more to the story, in gear acceleration, feel, handling etc etc but it just makes me wonder are they fighting a losing battle keeping it FWD ?

maybe they should do a watered down FWD type-R with say 250bhp, better economy , cheaper to produce and maintain and then do an 'RR' or something with 400bhp and AWD - they make amazingly good AWD stuff so its not like its unfamiliar territory.

IMO, they are so nearly there with a genuine focus RS rival if only it could have an answer for it off the line..
Do people actulally do traffic light grand prix?
Yep...a special thanks to the lovely people who put the new road layout at Junction 34 northbound M6 for an opportunity most nights on the way home. hehe

Re: the civic - It looks better than the FK2, but that's not saying much. The design of this and the last one, is just too fussy. I don't know where to look except away.

What's the third middle exhaust pipe for? smile

stuckmojo

2,982 posts

189 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Ghastly

smaybury

87 posts

150 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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That back end. FFS. shoot

Someone needed to get the designer to put the pencil down a *lot* sooner. Sometimes less is more.

PixelpeepS3

8,600 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Tickle said:
PixelpeepS3 said:
all that power and it can barely manage to dip below 6 seconds to 60? - not going to win any top trumps or traffic light GP's with that, are we...

i get there will be more to the story, in gear acceleration, feel, handling etc etc but it just makes me wonder are they fighting a losing battle keeping it FWD ?

maybe they should do a watered down FWD type-R with say 250bhp, better economy , cheaper to produce and maintain and then do an 'RR' or something with 400bhp and AWD - they make amazingly good AWD stuff so its not like its unfamiliar territory.

IMO, they are so nearly there with a genuine focus RS rival if only it could have an answer for it off the line..
Do people actulally do traffic light grand prix?
Do you actually need to ask that?

of course they do.

doogle83

760 posts

148 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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The FK2 looked pretty horrendous when it was released but the more I see around on the road the more I like them. So far this looks like an improvement so it's a thumbs up from me. Looking forward to seeing it properly later on.

great_kahn

83 posts

87 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Makes the last one look good. Least PH can expect a few quid when it comes time to review it.

Tickle

4,927 posts

205 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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PixelpeepS3 said:
Do you actually need to ask that?

of course they do.
Ok, thanks

swanny71

2,860 posts

210 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Fair play Honda, you've achieved what I thought was the impossible.
It's even more awful than the last one.

Adamski69

175 posts

111 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I am a type r fan but boff my old boots, that is a minger.... :-(

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

206 months

PH Reportery Lad

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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great_kahn said:
Makes the last one look good. Least PH can expect a few quid when it comes time to review it.
Wow, even quicker than I expected - good work!

ukaskew

10,642 posts

222 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Wow, it's like somebody stuck two whale sharks to the front end, then thought that looks good, lets put two at the back as well.

pits

6,429 posts

191 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Why is everything these days so "track focused" and must look a Transformer with big silly wings?

I am no Honda fan but what a pile of st that looks, take the EK9, if you weren't into cars that's just a Honda Civic, probably wont even notice the spoiler but notice someone painted his wheels white, function over form.


The EP3 same as above really, didn't know about cars you wouldn't look twice



Drive this new thing around and you're just going to look like a bit of a , and why does it have 3 exhausts? And why is it a moredoor?

Why can't they just offer a simple car that isn't track focused, add the option of a "track pack" but they're all doing it frown

Butter Face

30,340 posts

161 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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Welllll, there's a lot going on there isn't there?!?!

Triple exhaust looks ridiculous, As does the bonnet scoop. Honestly Honda, WTF? rofl

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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[quote="Article"]"We are trying to balance two aspects. Some rivals focus on extreme performance and others are going in the comfort direction. We want to go right in the middle," says the model's project boss Hideki Kakinuma
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If you're trying to make it all things to all men and widen the brief, why make it look so bloody awful that it restricts who can sensibly be seen driving around in one?

Really don't understand Honda these days and they've really lost their way in the UK.

KarlMac

4,480 posts

142 months

Tuesday 7th March 2017
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I like it. Reminds me of the Evo 5/6.

Seems like they've done a great engineering job too, rather than follow the VAG / Ford policy of seeing which parts from the bin fit.