RE: Land Rover Discovery: Catch It While You Can

RE: Land Rover Discovery: Catch It While You Can

Thursday 30th March 2017

Land Rover Discovery: Catch It While You Can

Can't stretch to £65K for a top-spec Discovery 5? Why not pay a tenth of that for the original?



"Fear not though, Land Rover die-hards - there's still a 4x4 buried in there somewhere!" So spake my esteemed colleague Mr Bird as he concluded his review of the latest Land Rover Discovery. Quite a special thing, and not just by Matt's account - so far, the new Disco's won itself plaudits from all corners of the motoring press.

"I told you the bridge was just fine."
"I told you the bridge was just fine."
But it's also proving popular with buyers, too - and that's before any of them have had the chance to drive the thing. 5,000 have put down orders already, half of which for the top-spec version, which means there's a good chance the first Disco 5 you see on the road will be fairly chintzed-up, and an even greater departure from its roots.

Of course, when the Discovery was first introduced in 1989, you didn't have to look too hard to find the 4x4 buried beneath. Plush it was not; indeed, while the Disco was rather more comfortable than the venerable Defender, that really didn't take much, and its cloth seats and rubbery plastics made it considerably more utilitarian than the palatial Range Rover - or, for that matter, the Discovery of today.

Nevertheless, the first Disco felt considerably more modern than anything Land Rover had yet produced, in every way. Inside, the Sir Terence Conran-designed fascia was attractive and user-friendly; the huge glasshouse and rooflights made the interior airy and light; and to drive, the Discovery was comfortable and car-like.

This spec is what you're after if possible!
This spec is what you're after if possible!
Despite this, its credentials in the rough stuff were beyond doubt. Not for nothing did it take over from the Defender as the team vehicle on the Camel Trophy challenge the following year, a position it held until it was usurped by the Freelander in 1998. Among people who used them daily, the Discovery quickly gained a reputation for providing almost as much go-anywhere ability as its golden oldie stablemate. This, in other words, was a car that lived up to the mantle of 'the best 4x4xFar'.

If you're looking at these pictures thinking "Actually, I quite fancy one of those", we wouldn't blame you. Early, pre-facelift cars have aged incredibly well, and with so few remaining, they're starting to look rare enough to be considered bona fide classics. And while there are still too many of the post-1994 facelift examples still around for the same to be said about them, they're worth considering too, if nothing else for the myriad improvements they brought.

Don't expect a speed machine, mind; even the V8 takes a leisurely 10.8 seconds to hit 60mph, chugging a gallon of fuel every 16.5 miles while doing so (or more if you're toeing it). Ouch. Less apocalyptic fuel consumption can be had with the TDi model, though you'll have to live with 60mph taking well over 17 seconds to turn up.

Just a small hump by Camel Trophy standards
Just a small hump by Camel Trophy standards
Live with the performance, though, and the original Disco is shaping up to be quite a desirable future classic. Its shape is instantly recognisable, the design cues it laid out still feature on the latest model. And because it was designed to be so, it's still very usable, too.

Which to buy? Well, if you're investing, the early pre-facelift cars are the most desirable. High-mileage examples can still be had for under £2,000, while even the best shouldn't set you back more than £6,000. Find an early three-door, or an example with one of the delightfully blocky decal packages fitted, for true period charm.

However, if you plan to use your Disco, whether on-road or off, the extra toys, more modern interior and lower price of the post-facelift models make them the ones to have. This leather-lined V8 with just 56,000 miles on the clock - a rarity in a Disco of this age - can be yours for a shade over three grand, while a sub-100k example can be had for well below the £2,000 mark.

"Don't say I didn't mention that damn bridge."
"Don't say I didn't mention that damn bridge."
While post-facelift cars will probably hang around at these prices for a while longer, the pre-facelift examples almost certainly won't. Cars of such substance and significance, and whose styling is very much of its time, almost always end up shooting up in value, and there's precedent in the form of early Range Rovers.

The one caveat is that rust is still claiming Discos, and keeping it at bay is a reasonably continual task. So even if you find one that's in good nick now, you'll probably have to spend a bit on it at some point to keep it that way. But do so and it'll soon be a rare old thing; the chances are it'll repay you as the numbers dwindle and the values rise. And that's one thing you won't be able to say about the new Discovery for many a year.

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flyingscot68

Original Poster:

241 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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What's going on with the last two paragraphs?

Other than that, interesting read.

I've spent some time in desert locations and although the Japanese offerings were always the preferred choice (due to far better reliability) the original disco really was a far more capable machine when the going got really tough.

MorganP104

2,605 posts

130 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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threespires said:
I'm glad to hear they suffer badly from rust. Hopefully we will soon be rid of these horrid devices.
Not a fan, then?

biggles330d

1,541 posts

150 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Ah, memories. Had one of these lovely old busses a few years ago. Bought for £2k from its original owner with about 100k miles up. Green with beige interior, complete with the conran cloth bag centre console accessory.
200tdi, it was slow but loped along in a great wollowy manner. The steering was as slack as you could imagine and the transmission was meaningfully agricultural. It made a great, rattly, unsuppressed 200tdi noise in the way direct injection diesels used to. Amazingly I averaged nearly 45mpg on several long journeys, measured from fill up to fill up, so genuine.

Used as a second car it took me on trips to Scotland, Cornwall and into Europe including a couple of times to Le Mans loaded up with bikes and gear. I was support truck to boys in the cars, which was fun for the first 25 miles until a puncture halted proceedings and the bottle jack was found to be buggered. Had to unload the thing on the hard shoulder of the A14 and several of us needed to 'assist' the bottle jack to keep it in the air long enough to change the wheel. Confidence was fragile for the other 800 miles of the trip!

On another memorable trip I was in remote Scotland at about midnight and the rear wheel bearing collapsed. 25 miles of slow but seriously grinding progress to reach humanity finished the job off. Cue total rebuild of now welded wheel bearing.

Good fun though, even used it as a weekend plaything in the quarry, although I was careful not to destroy it. Certainly a lot of laughs over many weekends covered in mud.

But my god it cost some money to keep running. Despite the 200tdi being claimed to be bulletproof and the engine unabused from new the crankshaft broke (fortunately in the hands of the garage when they were running it to the MOT station). I decided it was good enough to be a keeper and agreed with the garage to replace it with a genuine (on their insurance). Had the broken crank tested to find out why it had gone, and the new one tested before it went in for piece of mind. No issues.
Within a few thousand miles, the replacement crank had also fractured (this time in my hands). Put it down to bad luck and opted for another replacement - this one sold at discount by the previous crank supplier after a debate about the initial one being faulty...
All went well for a couple more thousand miles, when the tell-tail bottom end grumbling an power loss happened again. A third fractured crank.
I had to abandon it and recover it later, in the mean time having a stern word with myself about pouring good money after bad. So resolved to sell it. By now, MOT was just about done and it wouldn't drive but the body, interior and general look of the thing was still great so fine for parts I thought.
First buyer came along with a screwdriver, poked a hole in the floor, identified terminal rust in all the hidden spots and made his offer.

So, it was towed away and left my life. It cost more in repairs over the couple of years than I paid for it. Still miss it.

Edited by biggles330d on Thursday 30th March 13:57

NDT

1,753 posts

263 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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How much of the body is steel?
I always assumed it followed the tried and tested LR approach of a ladder frame with mainly aluminium body?

Hugh Jarse

3,503 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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  • Octopus legging it on seabed*

Matt Bird

1,450 posts

205 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 30th March 2017
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flyingscot68 said:
What's going on with the last two paragraphs?

Other than that, interesting read.

I've spent some time in desert locations and although the Japanese offerings were always the preferred choice (due to far better reliability) the original disco really was a far more capable machine when the going got really tough.
Apologies about that, formatting error on my side! Certainly nothing to do with Alex. Should be sorted now.


Matt

Plinth

713 posts

88 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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NDT said:
How much of the body is steel?
I always assumed it followed the tried and tested LR approach of a ladder frame with mainly aluminium body?
Range Rover classic chassis (minus the self-levelling unit at the rear).
Steel body inner frame, roof, inner wings etc.
Aluminium panels for the rest.

My V8 auto had been in the family for 15 years - never broken down and does all that I need.
Charmingly simple compared to modern 4x4 vehicles.
Easy for my mechanic to fix and if a part wears out, just replace it (tons of used spares available).
When bits go rusty - just chop them out and weld new metal in.

Does 18mpg on petrol (which is fine) and with a full stainless system and tubular manifolds it sounds lovely.






GranCab

2,902 posts

146 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Rusting money pit sheds .... 1% of the price of a new one would be too expensive smile

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Ugh don't tempt me more than I already am. Currently looking for a rugged 4x4 for towing, green laning and pay and plays. After owning an array of high quality Japanese steel (mainly Mitsubishi 's) I've decided I need a land rover. My heart set on a Defender 90 but their rapidly escalating price is putting usable examples well out of my £2k budget. My brain is saying go for one of these, particularly in TD5 flavour with that lovely sounding 5 banger (with a bit of pipe work of course). Cheap and objectively speaking a better vehicle than a defender.

Head says Disco, heart is screaming Defender. Don't know what to go for biggrin

Jonny TVR

4,534 posts

281 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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caelite said:
Ugh don't tempt me more than I already am. Currently looking for a rugged 4x4 for towing, green laning and pay and plays. After owning an array of high quality Japanese steel (mainly Mitsubishi 's) I've decided I need a land rover. My heart set on a Defender 90 but their rapidly escalating price is putting usable examples well out of my £2k budget. My brain is saying go for one of these, particularly in TD5 flavour with that lovely sounding 5 banger (with a bit of pipe work of course). Cheap and objectively speaking a better vehicle than a defender.

Head says Disco, heart is screaming Defender. Don't know what to go for biggrin
The defender is coo and the disco is not
Disco I think would cost more to run and not hold its value as well
Defender has better ground clearance
If you wade in a defender it doesnt matter as there are no carpets etc .. in a disco it would be a mess
Pay more and get a defender!


Shakermaker

11,317 posts

100 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I've had 3 in the past, my first was a lovely 200tdi model and then I've had 2 300tdi, the second of which I had raised with big tyres and springs and a snorkel.

I still love them, and would have another (will have another) when I fancy it.

Of course, that isn't to say they were the most reliable vehicles I have ever owned, though fortunately they aren't too much of a challenge to work on.

£6,000 though? That seems steep.

ehonda

1,483 posts

205 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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I had one identical to the Ad linked with the leather interior. I loved it, real character and not at all unreliable. By Christ, it could drink though. I moved on to a Disco 3 which I was much more precious about and as good as it was I didn't enjoy owning it as much as the first one.

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Jonny TVR said:
The defender is coo and the disco is not
Disco I think would cost more to run and not hold its value as well
Defender has better ground clearance
If you wade in a defender it doesnt matter as there are no carpets etc .. in a disco it would be a mess
Pay more and get a defender!
Ughhhh, my £2k budget is pretty rigid (I'm a student, ex spanner monkey training to be a managerial spanner monkey). I still hear occasional stories of folk picking up £500-1000 with clean-ish chassis from old farm stocks. I've been keeping my ear to the ground for something like that for a few months, so far nothing has come up. Hoping for a summer project.

Your entirely right about the 'coo' factor though, nothing quite beats a straight piped 90 with wide arches and some fat BFGs, you just don't get that with a Disco, although a camel specced bobtailed Disco does come close.

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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If you can get a nice one and are willing to throw money and time into it, there are worse places to put money for sure (ideal for a new mechanic - LOADS of work to do!!) smile

HOWEVER

Most for-sale have been flogged-to-death by people unwilling to spend ANY money on them - almost all are bodged and bent and ready for a major overhaul or the scrapheap.

Hell, given their value who'd sell a working one? smile

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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Great, simple rugged 4x4's

The rust is a big issue... why do older British car's disintegrate so enthusiastically?

Oh... and they are pig ugly.

Otherwise... you can do a lot worse.

InitialDave

11,900 posts

119 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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NDT said:
How much of the body is steel?
I always assumed it followed the tried and tested LR approach of a ladder frame with mainly aluminium body?
As mentioned above, it's a lot of aluminium panels, but they're hung on a steel frame. And they rust. Oh boy, do they rust.











Don't buy Discos unseen on Ebay, kids...

405dogvan

5,326 posts

265 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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skyrover said:
The rust is a big issue... why do older British car's disintegrate so enthusiastically?
Absolutely not just British cars by ANY means

One factor here is that being a premium product, they are expected to last longer - not many 'regular' cars from the mid-late 90s or even early 00s are rust-free at this point??

One factor is that they're not as-well protected from the factory as they could be and not reprotected when they should be. Another is that mixing metals is a BAD idea - steel and aluminium do not like being put together - something not-so-well understood when this was designed?

When you put cars onto lifts every day, you quickly realise that EVERYTHING rusts - I had an Alhambra last week, 99/00 model, absolutely and completely rotten to the extent that lifting it would have separated it into 2 cars (even jacking-it was sphincter-clenchingly horrible)

Plinth

713 posts

88 months

Thursday 30th March 2017
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InitialDave said:
As mentioned above, it's a lot of aluminium panels, but they're hung on a steel frame. And they rust. Oh boy, do they rust.

Don't buy Discos unseen on Ebay, kids...
Indeed, they do rust – some much worse than others, it seems!
(Strange how the cills are absolutely shot, yet the bottoms of the A and B pillars look OK...)
Mine reached 17 years old before the MIG welder made an appearance, which is probably not too bad.
Fortunately the rot was very localised – just needed chopping out to clean metal and new pieces welding in.

skyrover

12,671 posts

204 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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I've owned two discovery's... both of which looked exactly like this pictures previously posted.

They really are built from monkey metal.

DonkeyApple

55,272 posts

169 months

Friday 31st March 2017
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skyrover said:
I've owned two discovery's... both of which looked exactly like this pictures previously posted.

They really are built from monkey metal.
Good source of parts for Range Rovers though.