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Ballistic Banana

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14,698 posts

268 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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Havnt been out on my bike for about 6 weeks due to broken toe which is ok now,but the mot is also out now and i havnt booked it in yet.
So i went in the Garage to start it up which with full choke it did and run for about two minutes and then stopped and i havnt been able to start it again.

It turns over ok and i started about 3wks ago ok.
Ive checked all the usuals but cant find any reason why except maybe the fuel has gone off,would it in 6-7wks and woukld that be enough to make it not run.

Any ideas greatly appreciated.

BB

Niggle

600 posts

267 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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You did remember to turn the fuel back on?

dennisthemenace

15,603 posts

269 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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You might have flooded it push the choke back in and fire it over with no throttle when it starts to fire give it some throttle , that should work oh check you fuel tap

dennisthemenace

15,603 posts

269 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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Niggle said: You did remember to turn the fuel back on?


Doh ! beaten to it

Ballistic Banana

Original Poster:

14,698 posts

268 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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dennisthemenace said:

Niggle said: You did remember to turn the fuel back on?


Doh ! beaten to it


Cheers but the tap was on.first thing i checked.
Thought i might of flooded it so went through the usuall and nothing yet.
Im of to France in the morning so havnt got time to give it a good look over untill next week.


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dennisthemenace

15,603 posts

269 months

Thursday 17th October 2002
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BB You need to buy a kawasaki and get rid of that unreliable honder

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Friday 18th October 2002
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Defo not the fuel gone off, ive started a car that had been in storage for 7 years and after lots of engine fiddling she ran reasonably well. I reckon if its not the fuel tap thing that ya floats in ya carbs are bunged up.

funkyboogalooo

1,844 posts

269 months

Friday 18th October 2002
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probably unleaded fuel gone off, goes like jelly if stood too long. May help to drain the carbs fill the tank with fresh and start again.

hertsbiker

6,313 posts

272 months

Monday 21st October 2002
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fuel should be ok for 6 weeks though, but I have seen inside float chambers where funny blobs of jelly live.. so you could be right!

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Monday 21st October 2002
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Just thinking the car in storage had been there so long it would have had 4 star in the tank. Unleaded is horrible stuff and certainly could bung up ya floats. However the octane in the actual fuel will certainly not have degenerated enough for it not too start, unless you have a drag bike running about 30:1 compression....

dern

14,055 posts

280 months

Tuesday 22nd October 2002
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My blade was sitting around for 6 months after we had our daughter in November and that started easily enough. It was on a trickle charger though and it fuel injected if that makes a difference.

Mark

jedi

197 posts

265 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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Very interesting.
I have a 99 Fireblade engine in my race car. With the addition of kehein flatsides, the engine is standard. I last started it about 2 months ago, and now it wont start at all.

Tried everything including changing the plugs.
Blew a starter solenoid by trying too hard.

Am racing at brands this weekend, so the only hope is to bump start it.

Why is it bike engines are such a nightmare to start?

dern

14,055 posts

280 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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jedi said: Why is it bike engines are such a nightmare to start?
High compression I think. My old zxr750 took 4 blokes to push start, me sitting on it and the other 3 pushing it and then jumping on the back while I shoved it in gear to get enough traction on the back wheel to cause the engine to turn.

Mark

cazzo

14,790 posts

268 months

Friday 1st November 2002
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jedi said: Why is it bike engines are such a nightmare to start?


Yep many's the time I've tried in vain to get me old KTM going only to be disapointed,(left-side kickstart, high compression ratio, 54mm carb...) I live on a hill so I've often tried rolling down to start it...only to push the bastid thing back up again... but my experience of 2 strokes is that they are always a bit "iffy"
Would have thought your blade engine would be OK though, isn't honda s'posed to be ultra-reliable?



hertsbiker

6,313 posts

272 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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Why is it bike engines are such a nightmare to start?

Because they are so highly tuned? and to maintain a tickover requires the engine to be warm. But to warm it, you must start it.. try preheating the block (Kenlow block heater), bet it will start a lot quicker.

pawsmcgraw

957 posts

259 months

Monday 4th November 2002
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my blade had flat slides and was a bastard to start.In the end i use to use easy start,just a gentle mist sprayed accross the trumpets as there was no air box and that always worked providing you caught it when it fired up.It did however blow back a few times but as i was looking at the carbs at the time i ended up burning the eye brows....like ya do

whome

8 posts

258 months

Wednesday 20th November 2002
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Time to add my Euro's worth...
Could be a number of things...

Carb float stuck (unleaded IS the anti-christ) so it runs until float bowl is dry and then stops.
Fuel tap gummed - mainly if vacuum activated. (same symptoms!) Check fuel is still getting through and the little diaphragm isn't stuck (loadsa fun doing this, turns bike into expensive petrol bomb and makes you smell mmmm.... so nice!)
Battery has died - strange but annoying... they run for a while but can't take charge so die after losing the last dregs. Presumably this isn't it and it still turns over.
Worst option - bad fuel gone off. Main and pilot jets clogged - drain carbs, blast through with carb cleaner (Valvoline my favourite!), once with drains open to clear the cack out, then once shut to pop any out of the jets. If no joy, finally use an airline for the same, if that doesn't work take off and strip - always a fun task!

Just a few places to start - good luck!!

p.s watch the easy-start, too much cokes the plugs REAL quick. Also... bike engines, higher compression, higher spec - 100+ Bhp out of sub litre engines, Multiple carbs - smaller jets easier to block, smaller batteries - less welly, smaller moving parts - less momentum to keep the engine turning and giving it a chance to fire, personality - "I love my bike but she's a bitch in the morning" ;-)

>> Edited by whome on Wednesday 20th November 20:44

Ballistic Banana

Original Poster:

14,698 posts

268 months

Saturday 30th November 2002
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Well all i can say is 'what a firking Tw@t'

I had relied on my odometer reading(said 105 miles) which would suggest to me i had another 15-20 miles left in the Tank.
Well i shock the tank today and heard a little slosh about so, i stick a metal rod on the tank and it shows about 1cm at the bottom.Ok theres some in there but still wont start.(even on Reserve)
So i go down to the petrol station and get 5litres of BP's finest.
Pour it in, try to start it and Feck me.
Starts straight away. now i dont know how low the fuel pipe is in the tank but thats a new one to me.


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dennisthemenace

15,603 posts

269 months

Saturday 30th November 2002
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Doh !!!!! ah well at least you got it going now , just hope for good weather tomorrow and give it a good seeing to (oooer)

steveblade_uk

23 posts

257 months

Saturday 14th December 2002
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The banana is an honest geeza, easy mistake. Mr honda is a god in my book! Ask me why and ill tell ya!