RE: Chimaera LS6

RE: Chimaera LS6

Friday 23rd September 2005

Chimaera LS6

Ted gets behind the wheel of a Chevy Engined TVR


Chimaera LS6
Chimaera LS6

There’s no denying that the Rover V8 has lots of character, but it has to be acknowledged that much of the character is a result of its shortcomings. I remain a big fan of the engine though – the throaty burble they eminate still sends a chill up my spine each time I hear one.

Compared to modern equivalents however, it’s soon apparent just how dated the motor is. Millions of cars around the world now use the Chevrolet V8 and whilst lacking in the rough edged character of the Rover, it’s smooth power delivery, easy breathing and omnipresent torque make it an endearing power plant.

Chevy into TVR

In TVR Land there has been debate for year after year about the merits of fitting Chevy V8’s to the V8 TVRs. I’ve never been a fan of the idea, convinced that a TVR without the unique TVR sound would just not stack up – it would feel wrong somehow, like a nun wearing jeans.

I’ve been converted however – as has Jon Ellison’s Chimaera.  He and his father set about the project that everyone else talked about. The end result is neat, tidy and without fuss or drama – you’d be forgiven for thinking it was easy.

As with all projects of this nature though, the tidy execution is the result of meticulous planning and research. Father and son measured, researched, measured, researched and measured again.

Cleaned up Chassis
Cleaned up Chassis
The catalyst for the conversion was a failed cam on his Chimaera after only four months of ownership.  Jon’s more than familiar with one end of a spanner from another with plenty of experience racing his Triumph with the help of his father – another keen mechanic.

The conversion included a full body off clean-up of the chassis to ensure it was sound and would resist rust for a good few years to come.

Tidy Job

Thanks to that research, the end result is very unlike may engine conversions which resort to compromise, hacking of engine bays and general untidiness. The engine bay of Jon’s Chimaera looks as good as new – better in fact, with some tidier exhaust pipes, bespoke propshaft, neatly plumbed in cooling system (new alloy radiator) and not a bodge visible. The Tremec T5 gearbox was ditched in place of a more robust Tremec TKO600.

As you’d expect the wiring presented a considerable challenge. Salvation was found in a drawer – an old business card picked up at a race meeting a couple of years before. On that card were the contact details for a wiring specialist who had the knowledge to know which part of the existing loom to remove and how to connect a one-off custom loom that Jon had had made for the car.

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Overall the project cost Jon in the region of £13,000 but that included a new – not reconditioned – engine and gearbox and full new stainless, bespoke exhaust. This is with Jon and his father doing much of the research and installation.

Jon estimates this could be reduced to below £10,000 but it would be a compromise with maybe an LS1 (350bhp version of the engine), T5 and somehow using parts of the existing exhaust – Jon just want to go the hole hog!

Jon and his father completed the project in a relatively quick 5 months – after enormous amounts of planning which saved much time at the point of assembly. The actual build once all the right bits were in one place was more like 6 – 8 weeks.

Character Transplant?

So how does an American V8 affect the character of this most British of sports cars? In a manner that I didn’t expect. The LS6 powered car drives sooo smoothly. I was expecting an angry Steve McQueen Bullet style car that rocked like a boat when revved. The reality is actually a relatively quiet, incredibly smooth engine that suits the relatively softly sprung Chimaera beautifully. Cruising about in the Chimaera is easy – few gear changes are required thanks to the torquey motor and the modern feel fits surprisingly well with the simple TVR.

It becomes a beautiful cruiser with real muscle. You could imagine crossing continents in this car with utter ease.

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Wind up the motor though and things start to get interesting. Jon’s got around 400bhp currently and is looking to take it to 440bhp – utter petrol veined madness!

Making use of up to 300bhp is easy – on the lengthy drive that Jon granted me I planted my foot a few times, overtook a couple of cars and generally enjoyed the ease with which more motion could be attained. Power delivery is incredibly smooth and predictable and weight is a little down on the Rover unit. The engine is also placed a few inches further back than in the standard car.

Hungry Horses

When Jon took the wheel he demonstrated what happens when that last 100bhp is woken up – and what an evil bunch of horses they are. The Chimaera squirmed and reeled as 400 angry stallions attempted to hurl the car up the road. There was little chance of achieving that in a straight line thanks to the basic suspension setup of the Chimaera. This is the point at which the current chassis setup (standard springs, dampers and bushes) can’t ‘cope’ with the power – it’s not a matter of strength, but of sophistication. With Jon’s experience of the car he revels in the wayward nature of the car at the extremes, taming it, riding it, keeping it in check as the car hits light speed in an instant.  Jon intends to uprate the suspension over the winter.

Uprated Brakes
Uprated Brakes
Braking is in line with the extra power though with 300mm Tuscan Red Rose brakes complete with AP calipers and braided hoses.

If a manufacturer was to make a car like this, they’d sensibly limit it 300 bhp – Jon’s pursuit of extreme power is quite understandable though and if he achieves his goal of 440bhp, give that purple beauty a wide berth. You can bet it’ll be wagging its tail wildly up the road with Jon grinning at the wheel.

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Discussion

r988

Original Poster:

7,495 posts

229 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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I need sunglasses to look at the car!

440hp should be easy to extract from an LS6.

Munter

31,319 posts

241 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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About bloody time somebody did it.

Now wheres the piggy bank......

RIchardD

3,560 posts

245 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Lighter AND better balanced (engine further back) than the RV8?
Edited to more appropriate smilie

>> Edited by RIchardD on Friday 23 September 14:02

Hughesie2

12,570 posts

282 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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I've been luck enough to passenger in this car, smooth delivery of power is a complete understatement...

boosted ls1

21,183 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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From what I've seen it's a very nice installation and it has to drive well given the choice of engine

Boosted.

mruk

18 posts

223 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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surely its easy enough to bolt on a supercharger to that chevy engine? and a big sucky bonnet scoop for good measure

Terminator

2,421 posts

284 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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mruk said:
surely its easy enough to bolt on a supercharger to that chevy engine? and a big sucky bonnet scoop for good measure
Indeed it is, but I couldn't see the road past it.



And don't call me Shirley.

jellison

12,803 posts

277 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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It is going to Wortec tonight for the final ECU programming.

It was running SO Rich when Ted tried it and is not making the power (rightest car ever to go on Surrey Rollers!) fine to 4k but extra fule ontop of already way to much is really holding it back.

Paul should get it upto the correct number.

Should have it done by wed evening.

LS V8s in Miatas

211 posts

224 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Hello,Jon

It warms me heart to see your Monster TVR being so appreciated by your fellow countrymen!

Jeff just ordered 3 new crate LS2s and an LS6, I want one too. He'll be contacting you shortly now that he's back. Great show in California his car is making the magazines, I send you some pictures.

Have a great week-end, your mate in the colonies,

- Lee

dinkel

26,934 posts

258 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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vjj

592 posts

239 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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this is surely what TVR should have done years ago. These GM 5.7 engines are extremely cheap, powerful and reliable, making a mockery of TVR's torqueless 4.2 and 4.5 v8's and straight 6's.They could have bought them in for a fraction of the development costs of the unreliable monsters that surfaced from mr melling.

Imagine how good the cerbera would have been with this motor in it.

The rover V8 was a great engine, but over-stroked in 5-litre guise. John Eales only has a couple of hundred blocks left(£8500 for a fully built 300bhp unit using your existing TVR heads, plenum, ecu,etc.), and there are no 500 'kits' left at TVR power, so once Mr Eales runs out of blocks this conversion could be the best option for the future. At the rate Griff and Chimaera 500's go 'bang' that day may come sooner than we think.

thirsty

726 posts

264 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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That engines takes up a lot of space, but It still looks cleaner that with the Rover V8. Part of that I suppose is the fact that the exhaust does not run forward into the catalytic converters, which I always found strange.

I would assume that things are much cooler under the bonnet??

tvrolet

4,262 posts

282 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Sooooo, it say you have a TKO600 in there. Presumably you've used the one with the lower 5th gear, and not the really tall 5th? Any idea what the diff ratio is you're using? Mine's a 3.73 and having done the maths, I was thinking it was maybe going to be a bit low geared. Interested to know what your final drive is and how you feel the gearing is.

WB

PetrolTed

34,425 posts

303 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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vjj said:
making a mockery of TVR's torqueless 4.2 and 4.5 v8's

boosted ls1

21,183 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Early chevs are iron blocks and way to heavy for a tvr imo.

As for superchargers, the mod is usually an eaton 112 or harrop version. Some fit vortecs or similar so forward vision isn't a problem

Vjj, as for the 5.0 rovers, that's not to hard to do using used blocks. So I can't ever see a shortage of 5.0 engine's and I could do that with my own parts. New blocks will run out eventually but we don't need to use new blocks

Boosted.

ninjaboy

2,525 posts

250 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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vjj said:
this is surely what TVR should have done years ago. These GM 5.7 engines are extremely cheap, powerful and reliable, making a mockery of TVR's torqueless 4.2 and 4.5 v8's and straight 6's.They could have bought them in for a fraction of the development costs of the unreliable monsters that surfaced from mr melling.

Imagine how good the cerbera would have been with this motor in it.

The rover V8 was a great engine, but over-stroked in 5-litre guise. John Eales only has a couple of hundred blocks left(£8500 for a fully built 300bhp unit using your existing TVR heads, plenum, ecu,etc.), and there are no 500 'kits' left at TVR power, so once Mr Eales runs out of blocks this conversion could be the best option for the future. At the rate Griff and Chimaera 500's go 'bang' that day may come sooner than we think.


Yes i would imagine being nearly a third bigger would help the mighty chevy out perform the puny TVR and rover engines

Jerry

19 posts

284 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Why not. A reliable and proven engine inside the fantastically styled TVR body.

Something I would take a punt on commuting with
(given it would need to be good for 20,000 miles a year).

Perfect.

boosted ls1

21,183 posts

260 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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It's not just the capacity that produces the power. Everything inside the lsx has been revamped compared to earlier chevy's so it's all new. The best revamp the rv8 got was a crossbolted block. Shame they skimped on the cams, heads and just about everything else that could have made power.

Don't get me wrong, I like rovers to.

Boosted.

GTRene

16,499 posts

224 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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yep, way to go...way to go...nice engine conversion, like that in a TVR, I had a TVR griffith 4.3 and a V8S and I loved them...but that was then, and I think its now time for the chevy engine in the TVR when there was one for sale in the Netherlands were I life I would be pleased indeed

René

cyberface

12,214 posts

257 months

Friday 23rd September 2005
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Thing is - the Chim / Griff already had V8s. They already had the grunt, the noise, the character. The 5 litre variants also had enough poke to ask questions of the chassis.

Austec confirmed my old Griff 500 was down on power due to duff camshaft, but it still produced enough torque to slide the thing around at will. As the article said, the Chevy V8 may be great but it's too much for a Chim!!!

The real market for this conversion IMO is the newer cars, both for the nostalgic gits who *loved* their Griffs / Chims and want TVR styling with proper V8 torque & noise, and also for the cautious types who simply won't trust the Speed Six.

I'd love a Sagaris with a high-rev tuned LSx or even a Cerbera with the full monty king-of-the-hill type Chevy with supercharger etc. As other threads here suggest, packaging is a problem with the S6 cars... however I'm awaiting genius engineering solutions with interest!!