RE: Marcos GTC

Tuesday 11th July 2006

Marcos GTC

Ted gets the skinny behind today's launch of a brand new car


Marcos GTC
Marcos GTC
Later today Marcos will reveal the final evolution of its TSO GT car -- and we'll be bringing you pictures the moment they're available.

Just to confuse matters the car’s moniker is now ‘GTC’ rather than GT2. Marcos boss Tony Stelliga explained that the new handle is to emphasise the fact that the car has undergone such radical changes (149 of them) that he considers it worthy of a new handle.

So what’s changed from the previous prototypes? One of the most significant changes – largely in response to feedback from potential customers – is that the interior space has been improved. Laterally, Marcos has provided an extra 4.5 inches while a windscreen redesign and tweaking of the seats adds an extra 2.5 inches of headroom, and better visibility.

Chassis

Under the body, further work has been done by Marcos’s design partner Prodrive. Chassi stiffness is improved and weight is down: the kerb weight of the car is now an impressive 1,125kg.

Bolted to that chassis is a new prefabricated roll cage to provide more rigidity and of course a high level of protection for the occupants in the case of a serious crash.

On the drivetrain front, Marcos is using a six-litre LSX V8 as fitted to the Monaro and Corvette. Monaro emissions hardware has been used to ensure compliance at a reasonable cost. Use of this ECU also paves the way for future enhancements like traction control and ABS.

A redesign of the front of the car has allowed the team to ram more air through the front aperture, improving the breathing of the engine, allowing more cool air to enter the engine bay and resulting in a ‘Ram Air’ effect too.

We’ve obtained the power run that Marcos did at WRC Technologies last week. (see it here as a PDF file). The flat curves should be a good indication of how easy the motor will be to live with. Power for the standard car will be 420bhp whilst the performance pack will take that up to a quoted 462bhp. Marcos is confident that there’s more to be had but wants to ensure its quoted figures are conservative and accurate. It's also achieved its goal of a power to weight ratio exceeding that of a Caterham R400!

Other changes include the gearbox (Monaro spec) and a ‘Cush Drive’ prop shaft which helps buffer some of the drivetrain shunt that can be experienced with such torquey motors.

Exhaust

Conscious of how owners want their cars to sound, Marcos has spent what appears to be an inordinate amount of time tweaking the exhaust tone. The company has varied the point at which the two pipes join in order to get the right exhaust pulses winging their way to the rear of the car. The result is one that Stelliga describes as “Aston-like” but with a good dose of Aussie V8 racer.

The car is built from three outsourced modules: chassis, drivetrain and bodywork. Stelliga is keen to advance production techniques for this type of car. After all, production of spaceframed chassis and GRP bodied cars hasn’t advanced much for some decades.

Revisiting the Build Process

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As part of that review, Marcos has adopted a dual gelcoat foam cored version of GRP which it claims is perfect – “as good as metal” - straight out of the box and requires no sanding or filling. The final product is 38 per cent stiffer than their prototypes and 14 per cent lighter. There have also been several hints from Marcos that a targa version of the car might be available in due course.

The largest change to existing practices is that rather than slapping a body on a chassis, screwing it together and then fitting the running gear, Marcos has adopted a production system that sees the chassis fully fitted (and therefore fully stressed) before a body it lowered on. Most significantly, the body comes prefitted with 58 threaded brass pickups which should align to the stressed chassis. If they don’t line up, the body is rejected. The fitting of the body later in the production process ensures fewer scratches and scrapes during other fitting and allows the body to be fitted to a properly stressed car, and should avoid flexing and cracking as the car is loaded up.

The car has been designed using the latest in CAD/CAM technology, something Stelliga is very proud of. “It’s self documenting” he told us. Each component is designed in-house and generates the appropriate tooling data for the component manufacturers. This removes the need for subcontractors to design their own tooling -- and more significantly means that Marcos could switch suppliers if necessary without significant delays.

Dealers

Production is underway with dealer cars arriving in August and the first customer cars soon after.

The dealer network has some familiar names in it. Giles Cooper (TVR Centre, Noble London) will provide the outlet in London. Mole Valley Motor Group (formerly TVR dealers, now Noble dealers) will service the Surrey and surrounding areas. David Gerald Sportscars will service the West Country and Champ Cars at Silverstone will look after the Midlands. A further dealer is to be appointed in the North.

Stelliga’s plans are conservative. When we quizzed him about making the whole project work financially (he’s obviously invested significantly in the design and build), he was reserved. “We don’t plan to build thousands of cars each year”, he told us. One per week, rising to two per week in due course fits his business plan. What we do know is that the modular approach to building the cars should ensure there’s scope to ramp up production if required.

The GTC will be unveiled at 1pm today – we’ll be there to grab some pictures for you and Marcos has also provided us with some studio shots which we’ll be allowed to release early this afternoon.

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billsnemesis

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817 posts

237 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Looks like a Sagaris with a Speed 12 airscoop

PetrolTed

34,425 posts

303 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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I'll be getting photos of the cars later. Totally different proportions to a Sagaris.



Edited by PetrolTed on Tuesday 11th July 09:45

GTRene

16,470 posts

224 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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great news...its geting better all the time so maybe we see some pictures later on this day? I'll wait for them, sure! like to see more of it also the interior please...
and how much for the powerpackage? those extra 50hp...
So the car as we now the TSO GT2 is no longeR? its renamed GTC? wait and see
GTRene

cerby4.5

1,643 posts

241 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Looks as though the final production version will be one hell of a car!

I spoke at some length with one of the Marcos staff at the Champ Cars opening in Bicester. He told me that Marcos were putting this much effort in to get it 'just right' BEFORE launch. As opposed to AFTER cars have been delivered to customers. Fair play to them, this sounds to be exactly what they have done!

Am VERY tempted now.................if anything was going to replace a TVR in the garage this would fit the bill!
Shame TVR could not have done some of this R & D and had this attention to detail a few years ago???
I wonder how different things would be if they had??????
Cerby4.5

zaktoo

1,401 posts

240 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Is there anything on the Marcos site beyond the Flash front page? I can't get past it (no Flash, by choice) and they offer no html links or anything...

Ciao

Zak

dinkel

26,930 posts

258 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Ah, lunchread! Instant classic . . . I said it about a year ago and will continue to say it . . .

GTRene

16,470 posts

224 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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found the rear of the drawning...

GTRene

nickytwohats

2,093 posts

241 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Just "booked" a test drive for some time in September.

richb

51,509 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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If it's really bigger inside then it should be good. It would be nice to see a Canadian car doing well

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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News said:
As part of that review, Marcos has adopted a dual gelcoat foam cored version of GRP which it claims is perfect – “as good as metal” - straight out of the box and requires no sanding or filling. The final product is 38 per cent stiffer than their prototypes and 14 per cent lighter.

These bodies are good enough to just lacquer and the panel fit is very good indeed.
Cerby4.5 said:
Shame TVR could not have done some of this R & D and had this attention to detail a few years ago??? I wonder how different things would be if they had??????

Nightmare

5,185 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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nickytwohats said:
Just "booked" a test drive for some time in September.

hey Nicky...find out when and I'll book one in same time.....very tempting.....I LOVE the level of detail and customer feedback tony is taking on board....cant wait to see more pics

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

248 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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See! I told you it was going to be good!

Can't wait to see it in the flesh.

zaktoo

1,401 posts

240 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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richb said:
If it's really bigger inside then it should be good. It would be nice to see a Canadian car doing well


Thought Marcos was now Australia based?

Wildfire

9,785 posts

252 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Definitley on my wish list. I've always liked Marcos's and this one's noe exception. If I had the cash I would be there like a shot.

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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zaktoo said:
richb said:
If it's really bigger inside then it should be good. It would be nice to see a Canadian car doing well

Thought Marcos was now Australia based?

It's British-based (near Warwick). Confused by distribution arrangements in North America and Australia maybe?

dinkel

26,930 posts

258 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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article said:
The GTC will be unveiled at 1pm today


C'mon, c'mon!

richb

51,509 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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BossCerbera said:
zaktoo said:
richb said:
If it's really bigger inside then it should be good. It would be nice to see a Canadian car doing well

Thought Marcos was now Australia based?

It's British-based (near Warwick). Confused by distribution arrangements in North America and Australia maybe?
Nah... everyone says TVR is Russian now so Marcos has to be Canadian!

BossCerbera

8,188 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Even though his mum's from Lancashire and he lives in California. Are you Irish?

richb

51,509 posts

284 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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No why?

Tripps

5,814 posts

272 months

Tuesday 11th July 2006
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Will have to see what TVR have to say for themselves at Back Home and the Motor Show, but for now I'm still on the Marcos side of the field.

We just need to make sure that we don't inundate Tony with feedback at the Motor Show, otherwise he'll only want to implement those too to make it even better