RE: Noble M15 displayed this weekend
Friday 4th August 2006
M15 at the Motor ShowNoble dealer Kerridges has secured the Noble M15 for this weekend and will be displaying it at the Helmingham Festival of Sports and Classic cars.
Noble M15 displayed this weekend
Come see it for real
M15 at the Motor Show
The car will be on Kerridge's stand at the Suffolk Show which opens on Sunday from 10am until 6pm.
This will be one of only a few occasions that the public can see the car in the metal before it appears in showrooms, as Noble is finalising production plans for the car.
The M15 debuted earlier this year, recently featured at the British Motor Show and appeared on Top Gear last week.
The £75K supercar is intended as more of a Grand Tourer than the more track focused M12s, but it still delivers crushing performance.
The same 3 litre V6 is used as in the M12s, but this time in a 455bhp state of tune. It also boasts a rupturing 455 lb/ft of torque. Noble claim 60mph will be reached in just 3.5 seconds. Top speed is geared for 185mph, although Noble are confident that it could reach 200mph.
The spaceframe chassis with integral rollcage is 57 per cent stiffer than the M12 and intensive development has ensured that the famed Noble handling on the limit is even better than before.
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Discussion
I am a ferrari 360 owner and have thought about buying a noble for a bit of fun and was looking forward to the new noble,I have seen it, I looked in the engine bay and my first impression was that someone had taken some drainage piping and used it in the engine bay,I appreciate what noble are doing, but its stupid things like that which just won't make peolpe like me part with cash, for me its the whole package when I buy a car a company has to take every detail into account. they cant take on the big boys and price cars in that market with things like that.
hmmm, this is rather like the point I was trying to make about whether the 15 should have been a V8.
I don't belive it should, the twin turbo V6 is the right engine for the whole dynamic package that the 15 provides.
But.... do I think they'd sell more with a V8....I might have to say yes.
By entering this market, you do have to take into account that many folks are as interested in image as they are performance.
You might want to drive one before you write it off though.....
I don't belive it should, the twin turbo V6 is the right engine for the whole dynamic package that the 15 provides.
But.... do I think they'd sell more with a V8....I might have to say yes.
By entering this market, you do have to take into account that many folks are as interested in image as they are performance.
You might want to drive one before you write it off though.....
Edited by obes on Saturday 5th August 10:03
If it's £75k --- with Porsche and Ferrari offering impeccable quality, it must be built to a £100k build standard.
Otherwise it will only appeal to the very well monied who must have omething different.
Not, I believe, what Lee is looking for. IMHO.
At this price, it cannot be a kit car.
Otherwise it will only appeal to the very well monied who must have omething different.
Not, I believe, what Lee is looking for. IMHO.
At this price, it cannot be a kit car.
360CS which is closest time-wise around the top gear track is almost twice the money, and visually in the engine bay is at least twice as good. It's interesting your thoughts, mine are the other way around that having driven the M15 I do really wonder if another £50-70k is really good value for having an engine bay that people will stare at in the street.
I doubt Noble are trying to be a F430 beater just yet (I presume your logical step up from the 360?).
J
I doubt Noble are trying to be a F430 beater just yet (I presume your logical step up from the 360?).
J
I have to agree on the pipework in the engine bay
i have an M12 and think my engine bay is better detailed
however remember the car is a prototype and i wouldn't be suprised if they changed the pipework on the production car
take a test drive when you get a chance - from its performance on top gear, it could be quite a rewarding drive
i have an M12 and think my engine bay is better detailed
however remember the car is a prototype and i wouldn't be suprised if they changed the pipework on the production car
take a test drive when you get a chance - from its performance on top gear, it could be quite a rewarding drive
joust said:
It's interesting your thoughts, mine are the other way around that having driven the M15 I do really wonder if another £50-70k is really good value for having an engine bay that people will stare at in the street.
J
J
'By entering this market, you do have to take into account that many folks are as interested in image as they are performance.'
Interesting points. Given the dynamics are equal, the first point is something I couldn't justify - even if I had the money.
Is it fair to judge the M15 against the F430; or any 911 other than the C2; or a Galliardo given that there is such a price difference? There's no point comparing it to a 360 as that is out going model. Although I surpose for 75k you could be looking at second hand models. I think I'd prefer a new car at least then I wouldn't have to compromise on spec level. Would it not be better to compare this to an AM V8? Now there is a tough choice.
It seems there are two major factors in comparing cars with the head. Price and ability... (Comparing cars with the heart is just too subjective 
)... and for different people the more important of the two will be different.
1) PRICE.
Q) :- What is the opposition in the £75K bracket?
A) :- Nothing that can hold a candle to it on track or road.
2) ABILITY.
Q) :- How much do equal cars cost?
A) :- A nice car for the Mrs. and a Carribean holiday more...at least!
Go figure
Martin.
)... and for different people the more important of the two will be different. 1) PRICE.
Q) :- What is the opposition in the £75K bracket?
A) :- Nothing that can hold a candle to it on track or road.
2) ABILITY.
Q) :- How much do equal cars cost?
A) :- A nice car for the Mrs. and a Carribean holiday more...at least!
Go figure
Martin.
V6GTO said:
It seems there are two major factors in comparing cars with the head. Price and ability... (Comparing cars with the heart is just too subjective )... and for different people the more important of the two will be different.
1) PRICE.
Q) :- What is the opposition in the £75K bracket?
A) :- Nothing that can hold a candle to it on track or road.
2) ABILITY.
Q) :- How much do equal cars cost?
A) :- A nice car for the Mrs. and a Carribean holiday more...at least!
Go figure
Martin.
)... and for different people the more important of the two will be different. 1) PRICE.
Q) :- What is the opposition in the £75K bracket?
A) :- Nothing that can hold a candle to it on track or road.
2) ABILITY.
Q) :- How much do equal cars cost?
A) :- A nice car for the Mrs. and a Carribean holiday more...at least!
Go figure
Martin.
First of all I will ignore Top Gear as a sensible way of evaluating the speed of any car around a race track. So many different drivers (or Stigs if one prefers), so many different conditions and so much rubbish sprouted by the team, I think its not a realistic marker. Those who keep quoting it are foolish IMHO...
I would also suggest that a GT3 would not be that far from it, and that comes in around £80K. When your looking to spend that sort of money on a car £5k is neither hear nor there. That is what the Noble has to compete with, and love them as I do its packaging is not on the same page or even in the same book.
It also depends how you define equal. If your looking at top speeds there are many in the price bracket that will go just as fast, and faster. Most people looking to spend that much on a car are again not simply looking at the numbers quoted or which one is .5 of a second quicker to speed X, well some maybe, and thefore its the overall experience of ownership that matters much more.
The Noble has a horrible interior in my opinion, it looks and is cheap. The packaging is all nothing compared to other cars of that price, and that is the point. Most people will have a budget and will look for cars within it. The speed and acceleration are factors they will consider, but there are many more and those are where, IMHO, Noble misses the mark.
Far from a bad car, just not £75K's worth compared to other cars in the price range (M5, M6, 911, AMV8 to name a few)
joust said:
So you won't be ordering one then Steve?
As for comparing it to a M6, not quite sure what the comparison is? I'd guess a M6 appeals to the person who can only afford one car, can't quite see what the appeal is otherwise (and yes, I've spent time with one).
J
As for comparing it to a M6, not quite sure what the comparison is? I'd guess a M6 appeals to the person who can only afford one car, can't quite see what the appeal is otherwise (and yes, I've spent time with one).
J
It is why I drive a GT3 I guess, I was looking to spend 60K and had to make the call on what fitted me best. I did not choose the M400 because I felt its overall packaging was very poor, great and fast though that car is. Its all down to the criteria I suppose, and I have the feeling that the £70k - £80k brigade look at things like interior, build, resale and asthetics more than numbers on a bit of paper. All IMO of course.
joust said:
As for comparing it to a M6, not quite sure what the comparison is? I'd guess a M6 appeals to the person who can only afford one car, can't quite see what the appeal is otherwise (and yes, I've spent time with one).
J
Oi do you mind, that happens to be my daily driver you're having a go at there.
How do you work out that someone who buys an M6 can only afford one car???
Fantastic car my M6, streets ahead of the Noble in build quality, gadgets, refinement etc but then we are talking chalk and cheese, sportscar versus GT (albeit a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuugely fast one!!!) So lay off the M6 please
gadgeroonie said:
The M15 is a drivers car
wait till plenty of "greater cars" are shamed on the streets and the track
then its appeal will become apparent
wait till plenty of "greater cars" are shamed on the streets and the track
then its appeal will become apparent
No it isn't. It's pitched at a very different market and is competing with GT3 and F430s, Aston and Lambos etc. In this market build quality, gadgets and aftersales are very important. It may still be the best "drivers car" amongst the lot of them but it will not rival german build quality, etc. As some have saids there will also be a "what have I got for my money" issue. Personaly I couldn't give a fig about whats under the bonnet but on a straight comparison looking under the bonnet of a GT3, a F430 and an M15 I know which one I'd be asking what am I getting for my money?
The M15 is a step up for Noble from what is basicaly a dead loyal enthusiasts super kit car into, potentialy, the global supercar market. I wish them well and will be delighted to see them succeed if for no other reason than because success there will enable them to continue to support the M12 series. But make no mistake that market will never be judged on driveability or performance alone, they are merely the entry criteria.
Regards
Paul C
hunttheshunt said:
Oi do you mind, that happens to be my daily driver you're having a go at there.
How do you work out that someone who buys an M6 can only afford one car???
Fantastic car my M6, streets ahead of the Noble in build quality, gadgets, refinement etc but then we are talking chalk and cheese, sportscar versus GT (albeit a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuugely fast one!!!) So lay off the M6 please
I wasn't laying into it FFS, exactly the oppoisite! How do you work out that someone who buys an M6 can only afford one car???
Fantastic car my M6, streets ahead of the Noble in build quality, gadgets, refinement etc but then we are talking chalk and cheese, sportscar versus GT (albeit a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuugely fast one!!!) So lay off the M6 please
If you were looking for a single car to do the fast bit, the long journey bit and carrying passenger bit then the M6 would be a fine choice.
I didn't say it was crap matey, just that it would make exceptional sense if you just had a single £70k and wanted to spend it on a single car to give you all those capabilities.
Me, I've gone for the X5 for the long journey/carrying passengers and a Noble for the fast bit, but not everyone's going to be as fortunate as me (or you) to be able to afford that sort of choice!
Can I have a sorry similie now?
J
paulcundy said:
gadgeroonie said:
The M15 is a drivers car
wait till plenty of "greater cars" are shamed on the streets and the track
then its appeal will become apparent
wait till plenty of "greater cars" are shamed on the streets and the track
then its appeal will become apparent
No it isn't. It's pitched at a very different market and is competing with GT3 and F430s, Aston and Lambos etc. In this market build quality, gadgets and aftersales are very important. It may still be the best "drivers car" amongst the lot of them but it will not rival german build quality, etc. As some have saids there will also be a "what have I got for my money" issue. Personaly I couldn't give a fig about whats under the bonnet but on a straight comparison looking under the bonnet of a GT3, a F430 and an M15 I know which one I'd be asking what am I getting for my money?
The M15 is a step up for Noble from what is basicaly a dead loyal enthusiasts super kit car into, potentialy, the global supercar market. I wish them well and will be delighted to see them succeed if for no other reason than because success there will enable them to continue to support the M12 series. But make no mistake that market will never be judged on driveability or performance alone, they are merely the entry criteria.
Regards
Paul C
Spot on AFAIC Doc - the market rules (and the buyer's criteria is not always logical - nor does it need to be)!
joust said:
I wasn't laying into it FFS, exactly the oppoisite!
If you were looking for a single car to do the fast bit, the long journey bit and carrying passenger bit then the M6 would be a fine choice.
I didn't say it was crap matey, just that it would make exceptional sense if you just had a single £70k and wanted to spend it on a single car to give you all those capabilities.
Me, I've gone for the X5 for the long journey/carrying passengers and a Noble for the fast bit, but not everyone's going to be as fortunate as me (or you) to be able to afford that sort of choice!
Can I have a sorry similie now?
J
If you were looking for a single car to do the fast bit, the long journey bit and carrying passenger bit then the M6 would be a fine choice.
I didn't say it was crap matey, just that it would make exceptional sense if you just had a single £70k and wanted to spend it on a single car to give you all those capabilities.
Me, I've gone for the X5 for the long journey/carrying passengers and a Noble for the fast bit, but not everyone's going to be as fortunate as me (or you) to be able to afford that sort of choice!
Can I have a sorry similie now?
J
Mine was tongue in cheek anyway, so I guess 1/2 a sorry smiley perhaps (or similie if you prefer).
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