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I was thinking about buying a M5 on a 2001 plate, however noticed that the TVR on a 1997 plate are quite cheap and i love the look...(Currently have a Subaru STI 2003 for sale)
Looking for some advise...from the searching i have done i have gathered enough information to make me not want the car...
Wanted to know if someone can help me to identify the following:
Fuel consumption (if driven slowly)
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control)
What are the rear tyre size's?
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car?
Is it worth buying?
Will it keep braking down on me?
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock)
I only have near 9months of use befoer the baby is due so wanted to experience this car.....b4 its too late....
Any thoughts welcome...
Looking for some advise...from the searching i have done i have gathered enough information to make me not want the car...
Wanted to know if someone can help me to identify the following:
Fuel consumption (if driven slowly)
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control)
What are the rear tyre size's?
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car?
Is it worth buying?
Will it keep braking down on me?
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock)
I only have near 9months of use befoer the baby is due so wanted to experience this car.....b4 its too late....
Any thoughts welcome...
Edited by samuk on Monday 4th September 14:33
Cerberas are notouriously unreliable! The engines blow up every chance they get. They eat tyres like theres no yesterday. Miles-per-gallon? if you have to ask, then forget it!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp, they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you believe the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp, they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you believe the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
samuk said:
Fuel consumption (if driven slowly)
27mpg motorway/16mpg urban about 22ish combined. samuk said:
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control)
Do you mean how bad in the wet? In the dry it's pretty damned perfect as the feedback from the car imho is superb. samuk said:
What are the rear tyre size's?
Standard 16's = 245/45/ZR16 samuk said:
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car?
The exhaust note makes up for any silence you encounter in the cockpit samuk said:
Is it worth buying?
omg +
samuk said:
Will it keep braking down on me?
Depends on car's condition and how much you take care of warm-up procedures etc. Nail it from cold and you open a large can o worms. Example costs on running.
Summary
Breakdown
samuk said:
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock)
6k = appx £400 12k = appx £650 Edited by SlvrCrb on Tuesday 5th September 17:01
Fuel consumption.....Don't have figures to hand, but fuel consumption is no worse than my Voyager.........(if driven slowly) Next question.
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control) No there isn't traction control you have to drive these cars. Trev behaves well in the dry, its when its damp and wet you have to be wary.
What are the rear tyre size's? Front is 225/35/ZR18 and Rear is 255/35/ZR18 thats 18's
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car? With these sleek lines??
Is it worth buying? oh
Will it keep braking down on me? Some are more reliable than others, but ours is no worse than the Voyager, its just had its 3rd starter motor failure, but its the recon thats at fault we think not the car.
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock) As with all cars depends what needs doing, our last one was £450 for a 6000 mile service.
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control) No there isn't traction control you have to drive these cars. Trev behaves well in the dry, its when its damp and wet you have to be wary.
What are the rear tyre size's? Front is 225/35/ZR18 and Rear is 255/35/ZR18 thats 18's
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car? With these sleek lines??
Is it worth buying? oh
Will it keep braking down on me? Some are more reliable than others, but ours is no worse than the Voyager, its just had its 3rd starter motor failure, but its the recon thats at fault we think not the car.
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock) As with all cars depends what needs doing, our last one was £450 for a 6000 mile service.
Sorry, but its a bad first question you ask. The fuel consumption on the Cerb is nowhere near as good as the M5 you are considering, and to be honest is the least of your outlays with a Cerb. No doubt the £3K a year people will be along soon. The Cerb has no finesse apart from probably its looks, and even then you don't want to look too close.
The only way a Cerb can beat the M5 is if your heart wants it and you are selfish enough to listen to it.
Does that make me sound like a woman? Cos I'm trying to get in touch with my feminine side at the moment
The only way a Cerb can beat the M5 is if your heart wants it and you are selfish enough to listen to it.
Does that make me sound like a woman? Cos I'm trying to get in touch with my feminine side at the moment
Fuel consumption (if driven slowly)= 13 to 27mpg
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control)= Good in the dry, if you've got a lead boot, you'll kill yourself / car in the wet, if careful no problem.
What are the rear tyre size's? = 1996 original 16" wheels 235 x 50
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car? = You wont hear the road over the exhaust. Occasional air noise at high speed
Is it worth buying? = Definately, Looks great, sounds good, goes well, different.
Will it keep braking down on me? = No if your lucky, Yes if your not.
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock) = With no extras average £750 per 6K Miles.
IMO
How bad is the car in the dry? as there is no traction control)= Good in the dry, if you've got a lead boot, you'll kill yourself / car in the wet, if careful no problem.
What are the rear tyre size's? = 1996 original 16" wheels 235 x 50
Apart from Engine noise is there allot of wind and road noise inside the car? = You wont hear the road over the exhaust. Occasional air noise at high speed
Is it worth buying? = Definately, Looks great, sounds good, goes well, different.
Will it keep braking down on me? = No if your lucky, Yes if your not.
What are the service cost like? (the car i will be buying will have over 30K on the clock) = With no extras average £750 per 6K Miles.
IMO
Edited by RUSSELLM on Monday 4th September 15:17
Edited by RUSSELLM on Monday 4th September 15:29
*Phoenix* said:
Cerberas are notouriously unreliable! The engines blow up every chance they get. They eat tyres like theres no yesterday. Miles-per-gallon? if you have to ask, then forget it!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp , they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you are concerned about the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp , they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you are concerned about the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
dont forget the chassis' corrode, you cant easily get some clutch parts, many let rain in, the diffs / shocks / gauges have a tendency to fail and it will be less reliable than the M5
In short its a 180mph racing car for the road as opposed to a heavily developed saloon which has been tuned for maximum performance.
Bennno
*Phoenix* said:
Cerberas are notouriously unreliable! The engines blow up every chance they get. They eat tyres like theres no yesterday. Miles-per-gallon? if you have to ask, then forget it!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp, they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you believe the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
The interior falls apart, the starter motors fail, exhaust pipes fall off, brakes squeel and warp, they fail MOT's on emissions and you end up spending thousands to rectify... parts are a nightmare to sort out... they also catch fire with dodgy fuel-lines and the driveshafts snap...
If you believe the above then step-back and get a german ship! otherwise come on in!
Thanks for all the replies....this one in particular sounds allot like what i have been reading.....However if they are so unreliable...why do people buy them?
Currently my Subaru gives me on average 60miles to £20 of Optimax (if driven gently)
Just thought te TVR's would be fun to drive for the next 8 months (then i will need a 3rd seat ;-)
Edited by samuk on Monday 4th September 15:29
Unreliable is a joke - left over bad stories from TVR days of handbuilt cars - hence unreliable etc.
What can I say - it is beautiful, handles excellantly, sounds fantastic. Everwhere I took it on the Isle of Wight this weekend it got adoring looks and comments. Well almost anywhere. I did get flashy lights and fists waved as overtook the 20mph oaps in 40mph zones.
You get used to preferential treatment i.e. on the ferry I was put on first with a man checking it didn't ground, then they didn't park another car near it - "We don't want anyone scratching that sir".
On the way back they loaded me last so I could have the whole afterdeck to myself.
What can I say - it is beautiful, handles excellantly, sounds fantastic. Everwhere I took it on the Isle of Wight this weekend it got adoring looks and comments. Well almost anywhere. I did get flashy lights and fists waved as overtook the 20mph oaps in 40mph zones.
You get used to preferential treatment i.e. on the ferry I was put on first with a man checking it didn't ground, then they didn't park another car near it - "We don't want anyone scratching that sir".
On the way back they loaded me last so I could have the whole afterdeck to myself.
samuk said:
Currently my Subaru gives me on average 60miles to £20 of Optimax (if driven gently)
At £1 a litre your getting 13.64 mpg.
The Cerb will do at least that.
May be I'm wrong here, but when I was looking for a fast car, fuel economy doesn't really come in to it.
Buying the van for work it did, or even the missus's shopping trolley (but only cos she pays for the fuel), but not on a super car surely.
Lizzy Dexic said:
samuk said:
Just thought te TVR's would be fun to drive for the next 8 months (then i will need a 3rd seat ;-)
The real beauty of the Cerb is you can get a baby seat to fit.
really, learn a new thing every day.
...though i dnt think the baby would like the noice or the ride... :-)
yes
you may find it mainly has threads about sales targets, off-the-peg Armarni suits and the latest in neo-Georgian decorative mouldings...
it is here though:
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you may find it mainly has threads about sales targets, off-the-peg Armarni suits and the latest in neo-Georgian decorative mouldings...
it is here though:
[url]www.pistonheads.com/gassing/forum.asp?f=72&h=0[/url]
byeeee
samuk said:
...though i dnt think the baby would like the noice or the ride... :-)
Mine sleeps in the car - but then he is 8 now
The M5 can be a fast family car. The Cerbera is a supercar, only real exotica can match it's performance. The advantage of the TVR is price and less snobby owners?
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