Jeff Schwartz 0-200-0 at Silver State
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Originally posted by usagrtman on the US forum. Thought you guys might be interested too. The twin turbo beast is alive and in action!!!
I can't wait to see how it does.
Guys:
I received the following press release from Jeff. There's a link to the SSC website so you can check his results. Good Luck Jeff......
Schwartz Extreme Performance
Division of Highside Motorsports
6205 Lou Ave. Crystal Lake, IL 60014
Phone 815-455-2230 Fax 815-455-6806
9/12/2006
For Immediate Release:
The Schwartz Team with their twin turbo 6.6 Liter Ultima GTR (aka project Street Alien) has just arrived in Las Vegas. Final dyno testing was done in the wee hours of Sunday morning back in Illinois prior to the 32 hour westward trek.
Final preparations will take place Thursday morning at Las Vegas Speedway. Friday and Saturday driver Jeff Schwartz will attempt to win both the Baer Brakes 0-200mph-0 Speed Stop Challenge and the one mile High Noon Shootout presented by Optima Batteries. Creation of this 1000+ Horsepower, 2360 pound Monster was made possible by:
Michelin BF Goodrich, Hahn Racecraft, Optima Batteries, Turbonetics, Holley/ Lunati, Turbosmart, RCV Performance, Accel DFI, Federal Mogul/Speed-Pro, Patriot Performance, MSD Ignition, Powerhaus II, Eagle Specialty Products, UMI Racing, Stainless Works, Mahle, ATI, Aeromotive, Hawk Performance, Stewart Warner, and APS Racing.
V8TV will be covering the event and will place an in car camera in the Schwartz Ultima GTR entry. The show has recorded the entire buildup of this project which will air in the near future. V8TV reaches 33 million households.
Follow the results of these events at www.silverstateclassic.com
Look for project Street Alien at SEMA with Hahn Racecraft.
Contact:
Jeff Schwartz
815-546-2123
www.schwartzperformance.com
_________________
Brad Z
www.bradzeman.com
I can't wait to see how it does. Guys:
I received the following press release from Jeff. There's a link to the SSC website so you can check his results. Good Luck Jeff......
Schwartz Extreme Performance
Division of Highside Motorsports
6205 Lou Ave. Crystal Lake, IL 60014
Phone 815-455-2230 Fax 815-455-6806
9/12/2006
For Immediate Release:
The Schwartz Team with their twin turbo 6.6 Liter Ultima GTR (aka project Street Alien) has just arrived in Las Vegas. Final dyno testing was done in the wee hours of Sunday morning back in Illinois prior to the 32 hour westward trek.
Final preparations will take place Thursday morning at Las Vegas Speedway. Friday and Saturday driver Jeff Schwartz will attempt to win both the Baer Brakes 0-200mph-0 Speed Stop Challenge and the one mile High Noon Shootout presented by Optima Batteries. Creation of this 1000+ Horsepower, 2360 pound Monster was made possible by:
Michelin BF Goodrich, Hahn Racecraft, Optima Batteries, Turbonetics, Holley/ Lunati, Turbosmart, RCV Performance, Accel DFI, Federal Mogul/Speed-Pro, Patriot Performance, MSD Ignition, Powerhaus II, Eagle Specialty Products, UMI Racing, Stainless Works, Mahle, ATI, Aeromotive, Hawk Performance, Stewart Warner, and APS Racing.
V8TV will be covering the event and will place an in car camera in the Schwartz Ultima GTR entry. The show has recorded the entire buildup of this project which will air in the near future. V8TV reaches 33 million households.
Follow the results of these events at www.silverstateclassic.com
Look for project Street Alien at SEMA with Hahn Racecraft.
Contact:
Jeff Schwartz
815-546-2123
www.schwartzperformance.com
_________________
Brad Z
www.bradzeman.com
Edited by Hugger Z on Thursday 14th September 21:04
I spoke to him Wed night my time. He'd done a string of allnighters, only finishing the dyno at 2.00am on the Sunday morning.
He was having trouble with electronic boost control.... so he disabled it and went to the wastegate control.
He was also having troubles getting over 4200rpm... but was pulling mid 600hp and low 700ft/lb at the wheels... at 4200!!! He laid that map over a map of a twin turbo SB that went 850 at the wheels.... and his was very similar up to 4200.
He's got drag radials all round.... he said they are that sticky they pick up rocks when they are cold... so no wheelspin
He drove it on the road with only 5psi (its designed for 15) and he said it was "just plain stoopid" Scariest thing he's ever driven and definitely overkill....
Just spoke to him..... he's had a few problems. Thought it was MAP... got a new one. That didnt fix it. Connector was loose on the ECU. Missed his track session today.
He's in the middle of nowhere... there's 5 hotels, 2 strip clubs and a couple of massage parlours... including an Asian massage place!!!! nice!!
Tomorrow is the 0-200-0.
Its 5900 ft above.... his testing was done at 1000... he's got some work to to tonight.
Nobody knows what to think of the GTR.........
More tomorrow.
He was having trouble with electronic boost control.... so he disabled it and went to the wastegate control.
He was also having troubles getting over 4200rpm... but was pulling mid 600hp and low 700ft/lb at the wheels... at 4200!!! He laid that map over a map of a twin turbo SB that went 850 at the wheels.... and his was very similar up to 4200.
He's got drag radials all round.... he said they are that sticky they pick up rocks when they are cold... so no wheelspin
He drove it on the road with only 5psi (its designed for 15) and he said it was "just plain stoopid" Scariest thing he's ever driven and definitely overkill....
Just spoke to him..... he's had a few problems. Thought it was MAP... got a new one. That didnt fix it. Connector was loose on the ECU. Missed his track session today.
He's in the middle of nowhere... there's 5 hotels, 2 strip clubs and a couple of massage parlours... including an Asian massage place!!!! nice!!
Tomorrow is the 0-200-0.
Its 5900 ft above.... his testing was done at 1000... he's got some work to to tonight.
Nobody knows what to think of the GTR.........
More tomorrow.
NEWSFLASH................
I just got a voicemail on my cell phone (on the charger) from Jeff. He finished in 1st place. He never made it to 200....no one did....he made it 190.2 and back to 0 in 40 seconds. You could only accelerate to the one mile mark......then on the brakes. He said there was a 30-40 mile per hour crosswind....and once the runs were over....it started snowing!! Nice job Jeff!
Brad Z
I just got a voicemail on my cell phone (on the charger) from Jeff. He finished in 1st place. He never made it to 200....no one did....he made it 190.2 and back to 0 in 40 seconds. You could only accelerate to the one mile mark......then on the brakes. He said there was a 30-40 mile per hour crosswind....and once the runs were over....it started snowing!! Nice job Jeff!
Brad Z
Just spoke to Jeff.
He hit full boost and the wastegates opened and he lost boost, so he had to feather the throttle to keep the boost up. He was only running 8-9lb trying to keep the wastegates shut.... he's back on the electronic boost control now and should be able to hold 11-13lb tomorrow.
So, you get what I'm sayin... he did 190, and won the event.... at part throttle!!!
He said he was still working on the car before the run. There were a load of people snobbing him off before the run, whispers in the background etc.... now there is silence!
HA d firkin HA HA !!!
The car is not fully dialled in.....
He hit full boost and the wastegates opened and he lost boost, so he had to feather the throttle to keep the boost up. He was only running 8-9lb trying to keep the wastegates shut.... he's back on the electronic boost control now and should be able to hold 11-13lb tomorrow.
So, you get what I'm sayin... he did 190, and won the event.... at part throttle!!!
He said he was still working on the car before the run. There were a load of people snobbing him off before the run, whispers in the background etc.... now there is silence!
HA d firkin HA HA !!!
The car is not fully dialled in.....
I just finished with the awards banquet in Vegas.
I did officially finish 1st in the 0-200-0 on Friday as posted above. Using stock Ultima brakes with the original mintex pads from 2002, with numerous track days, 35000 miles etc. on them.
There was also another event called the High Noon Shootout Saturday,
a one mile run with no measured stopping. The fastest in that was an F40 at 187.
So i had the fastest official speed of the two 1 mile events.
With 3/4 throttle and 4800 rpm.
Keep in mind this was held at 6000 feet above sea level.
Other cars, supercharged Viper and Ford GT, twin turbo Viper and Ford GT, Big Red (10 Litre)69 Camaro, lots of vettes, turbo 350Z from Japanase Magazine.
I had the same problems the whole event, thought it was boost control issues til this morning when I ran the Silver State 90 mile run down highway 318. At 4700 it started missing and at 5000 it cut out, like a rev limiter, I wasn't in any boost, so i've got ignition issues to work out. I still managed 172 by the gps and averaged 148 in the 150 class finishing 16th out of 26 in the class. There were about 150 cars total.
A regular in this event, Rick Doria in the F40 passed me 10 miles into the run to I tucked in for a while, then passed him back after the narrows (a rocky canyon with S turns) He finished 15th a bit early to my 20 some seconds late. Pretty wierd ripping off 90 miles in 36 minutes with loads of sweeping turns along the way.
When we went to the start this morning it was 17 degrees Farenheit!
I'm going back next year totally dialed in.
Yes, I will do these TT engines for customers once I've got this one dialed in.
Jeff S
I did officially finish 1st in the 0-200-0 on Friday as posted above. Using stock Ultima brakes with the original mintex pads from 2002, with numerous track days, 35000 miles etc. on them.
There was also another event called the High Noon Shootout Saturday,
a one mile run with no measured stopping. The fastest in that was an F40 at 187.
So i had the fastest official speed of the two 1 mile events.
With 3/4 throttle and 4800 rpm.
Keep in mind this was held at 6000 feet above sea level.
Other cars, supercharged Viper and Ford GT, twin turbo Viper and Ford GT, Big Red (10 Litre)69 Camaro, lots of vettes, turbo 350Z from Japanase Magazine.
I had the same problems the whole event, thought it was boost control issues til this morning when I ran the Silver State 90 mile run down highway 318. At 4700 it started missing and at 5000 it cut out, like a rev limiter, I wasn't in any boost, so i've got ignition issues to work out. I still managed 172 by the gps and averaged 148 in the 150 class finishing 16th out of 26 in the class. There were about 150 cars total.
A regular in this event, Rick Doria in the F40 passed me 10 miles into the run to I tucked in for a while, then passed him back after the narrows (a rocky canyon with S turns) He finished 15th a bit early to my 20 some seconds late. Pretty wierd ripping off 90 miles in 36 minutes with loads of sweeping turns along the way.
When we went to the start this morning it was 17 degrees Farenheit!
I'm going back next year totally dialed in.
Yes, I will do these TT engines for customers once I've got this one dialed in.
Jeff S
crafty said:
Just spoke to Jeff.
He hit full boost and the wastegates opened and he lost boost, so he had to feather the throttle to keep the boost up. He was only running 8-9lb trying to keep the wastegates shut.... he's back on the electronic boost control now and should be able to hold 11-13lb tomorrow....
He hit full boost and the wastegates opened and he lost boost, so he had to feather the throttle to keep the boost up. He was only running 8-9lb trying to keep the wastegates shut.... he's back on the electronic boost control now and should be able to hold 11-13lb tomorrow....
Sound like the exhaust housings are to small, creating backpressure that overcomes the wastegate springs and opens the wastegate "from the inside". If so, electronic boost control cant totally solve the problem.
GTWayne said:
Well done mate.. I would love to do this kind of event once I'm settled over the big pond, sounds like alot fun..
Bet you can't wait till next year...
Ps this is GTRClive on the GTW PC....
Bet you can't wait till next year...
Ps this is GTRClive on the GTW PC....
What you doing down there? You're supposed to be up country manically building.
Steve
deadscoob said:
In these situations can't you just use an uprated wastegate?
If you use a bigger wastegate with the same strength spring the back preasure will have a bigger area to push on and this will result in the wastegate opens even earlier. If you get a stiffer spring to overcom the late spool/early opening you will probably end up with "boost creap"/to much boost on high revs.
The only way to solve it is to mount a huge wastegate (to manage the top end) and move up to bigger exhast hausing (A/R) so backpressure stays low and the wastegate is shut until it needs to open. Boost control can be used to force the wastegate to be closed as long as possible and ofcourse tune topend.
I hope what I write makes sense...
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