Ford buys Rover
Discussion
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
How did you work that out??? I think the Escort, the Sierra, Astra etc etc far and away outsold the cars you have chosen as market leaders, to compair like for like you have to take price into account, a humble 200 series cost half the price of a 3 series with similar equipment.
The German cars were miles ahead of the Rovers in every way, this is why they were the class leaders; leaders of quality, refinment, production efficiency, class, reliability..blah..blah
Is that why every Car magazine put the Rover SD1 top in all their tests at the time over BMW's Mercs etc?, Is that why it won several awards including car of the year? Is that why the police used them and bought up loads when it was announced they were going to put an end to production? Why didn't they buy so called "better" BM's etc
Rover was never always as bad as you like to make out, it was just constantly constrained by bad management.
Edited by K 5ive on Wednesday 20th September 15:15
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
I am some cap wearing old fart
Do you breed whippets too?
If I did I'd train them to bite some sense into you
You could breed them in your rover, doubles up as a shed
Don't have a rover anymore, read the thread more carefully, my last rover was a workhorse as I didn't want to rack up milage on my other cars.
But the ZT 260 is very tempting
smilerbaker said:
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
But the ZT 260 is very tempting
OK so whats wrong with that then? designed by bmw, built to there standards, lots and lots of kit, RWD, and a thumping great v8 mustang engine in that can be tunned to 500bhp and more? FOR 10K!!!!
It wasn't designed by BMW, designed by rover, hung themsleves too didn't they?
Standards - BMW had started to distance themsleves by this stage
Suprise suprise!!! Rover had to import another engine, is this admitting your designers were rubbish at this sort of thing?
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
But the ZT 260 is very tempting
OK so whats wrong with that then? designed by bmw, built to there standards, lots and lots of kit, RWD, and a thumping great v8 mustang engine in that can be tunned to 500bhp and more? FOR 10K!!!!
It wasn't designed by BMW, designed by rover, hung themsleves too didn't they?
Standards - BMW had started to distance themsleves by this stage
Suprise suprise!!! Rover had to import another engine, is this admitting your designers were rubbish at this sort of thing?
Your obviously a troll, but, rover no longer had a V8 by this stage as it didn't meet eu emission standrads, as previous stated on this thread, to design a new engine would cost 000's of millions
if they did still have a v8 then idiots who diss them for no logical reason would spout on about its 40 year old engine.
The 75 was very much designed and built on bmw's watch. the ZT 260 even has a shed full of bmw parts in it.
K 5ive said:
disco1 said:
smilerbaker said:
How did you work that out??? I think the Escort, the Sierra, Astra etc etc far and away outsold the cars you have chosen as market leaders, to compair like for like you have to take price into account, a humble 200 series cost half the price of a 3 series with similar equipment.
The German cars were miles ahead of the Rovers in every way, this is why they were the class leaders; leaders of quality, refinment, production efficiency, class, reliability..blah..blah
Is that why every Car magazine put the Rover SD1 top in all their tests at the time over BMW's Mercs etc?, Is that why it won several awards including car of the year? Is that why the police used them and bought up loads when it was announced they were going to put an end to production? Why didn't they buy so called "better" BM's etc
Rover was never always as bad as you like to make out, it was just constantly constrained by bad management.
Edited by K 5ive on Wednesday 20th September 15:15
.....very badly executed.
My Dad and two colleagues all ordered one when it came out, but Rover was simply unable to deliver them for months after the due date. Two of them changed their orders, my Dad to a much less exciting Audi 100 and hi colleague to an RX-7 (no kids). The third who stuck with the order regretted it because the car was a badly built unreliable mess.
We really wanted Dad to get the 3.5 l V8 Rover over the 2.0 4 cylinder Audi, but it didn't work out. The AUdi never gave a single problem.
Oakey said:
disco1 said:
anonymous said:
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Yes niggles, not flawed design and materials. The thought of a rover called a GSI Sport Turbo is quite funny
Erm, Rover engines were used in Lotus and TVR's, were they not?
Wrong - American V8s
TVR and Lotus did their own magic to these
disco1 said:
Oakey said:
disco1 said:
anonymous said:
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Yes niggles, not flawed design and materials. The thought of a rover called a GSI Sport Turbo is quite funny
Erm, Rover engines were used in Lotus and TVR's, were they not?
Wrong - American V8s
TVR and Lotus did their own magic to these
Sorry mate - TVRs were originally built with the rover V8 (itself based on a 1503 design admittedly, but still a great engine in its day). Finally stretched from 3.5l to 5l in the Griff 500 IIRC.
disco1 said:
Oakey said:
disco1 said:
anonymous said:
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Yes niggles, not flawed design and materials. The thought of a rover called a GSI Sport Turbo is quite funny
Erm, Rover engines were used in Lotus and TVR's, were they not?
Wrong - American V8s
TVR and Lotus did their own magic to these
WTF are you talking about?????
TVR used Rover V8's, they also used Ford V6's
Lotus used Rover K-Series
Catherham also used K-Series
Your are seriously mis-informed, with knowledge like yours I dont think pistonheads is the place for you
Edited by smilerbaker on Wednesday 20th September 15:40
smilerbaker said:
disco1 said:
Oakey said:
disco1 said:
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Yes niggles, not flawed design and materials. The thought of a rover called a GSI Sport Turbo is quite funny
Erm, Rover engines were used in Lotus and TVR's, were they not?
Wrong - American V8s
TVR and Lotus did their own magic to these
WTF are you talking about?????
TVR used Rover V8's, they also used Ford V6's
Lotus used Rover K-Series
Catherham also used K-Series
Your are seriously mis-informed
I was going to say something but figured I'd just let everyone else do the job
The Rover V8 was a Rover engine. It was originally designed by another company (NOT BMW as some people for some reason love to believe). When Rover (not BL, not austin-rover group - but the actual class leading, envy of the world, Rover company) got their hands on it - they changed lots of things, and up untill the last days had the sand casting method pantented to them.
Another reason to mention why BMW bought Rover was because quite simply, in the early 90's, Rover had one of the best product line ups in the world. Everything from a small Mini to a big Range Rover. And ALL were big sellers.
BMW got their sleeves in, cheapened the K-series hence why so many HGFs are from the BMW era, they also stopped developemtn on many other cars Rover had been working on. BMW paid for the R40 development (Rover 75) but they didn't do the development.
Let it also be known that the latest MINI is Rover engineered.
Another reason to mention why BMW bought Rover was because quite simply, in the early 90's, Rover had one of the best product line ups in the world. Everything from a small Mini to a big Range Rover. And ALL were big sellers.
BMW got their sleeves in, cheapened the K-series hence why so many HGFs are from the BMW era, they also stopped developemtn on many other cars Rover had been working on. BMW paid for the R40 development (Rover 75) but they didn't do the development.
Let it also be known that the latest MINI is Rover engineered.
red_rover said:
The Rover V8 was a Rover engine. It was originally designed by another company (NOT BMW as some people for some reason love to believe). When Rover (not BL, not austin-rover group - but the actual class leading, envy of the world, Rover company) got their hands on it - they changed lots of things, and up untill the last days had the sand casting method pantented to them.
Another reason to mention why BMW bought Rover was because quite simply, in the early 90's, Rover had one of the best product line ups in the world. Everything from a small Mini to a big Range Rover. And ALL were big sellers.
BMW got their sleeves in, cheapened the K-series hence why so many HGFs are from the BMW era, they also stopped developemtn on many other cars Rover had been working on. BMW paid for the R40 development (Rover 75) but they didn't do the development.
Let it also be known that the latest MINI is Rover engineered.
Another reason to mention why BMW bought Rover was because quite simply, in the early 90's, Rover had one of the best product line ups in the world. Everything from a small Mini to a big Range Rover. And ALL were big sellers.
BMW got their sleeves in, cheapened the K-series hence why so many HGFs are from the BMW era, they also stopped developemtn on many other cars Rover had been working on. BMW paid for the R40 development (Rover 75) but they didn't do the development.
Let it also be known that the latest MINI is Rover engineered.
True or not? the 1 Series was going to be the replacement for the Rover 25 line?
(Ie, rover were working on the replacement for the 25 and BMW basically stopped them , took the development and the result is the 1 Series)
Edited by Oakey on Wednesday 20th September 19:10
Nope - when Rover Group split from BMW, the 1-series was still probably an idea.
All we know is that there is the R30 fully working prototype (Rovers 45 replacment) is languishing in a BMW basement somewhere. Some sceptics believe that the 1-series is just a rebodied version of this and converted to RWD.
The only people who know are BMW and Richard Woolley (head of design at Ford- he designed the 600, the 400 mk2 saloon and the Rover 75).
All we know is that there is the R30 fully working prototype (Rovers 45 replacment) is languishing in a BMW basement somewhere. Some sceptics believe that the 1-series is just a rebodied version of this and converted to RWD.
The only people who know are BMW and Richard Woolley (head of design at Ford- he designed the 600, the 400 mk2 saloon and the Rover 75).
disco1 said:
Couldn't help noticing you owned 2 2series rovers, did you like the honda engines?
You clearly don't have much of an idea what you're talking about (shown by pretty much every post on this thread picking you up on one of your "facts"!) - I had a 214SLI with a ROVER K-series, and a R25 1.6iS with a ROVER K-series! Where did you get the Honda stuff from
Both cars did what it said on the tin pretty well, and the 25 in particular was a great car, very underrated. Top tip: if you're going to try and hold forth with some kind of authority on a subject, do yourself a favour and do a little research so you don't end up looking a complete tool, eh?
Seriously - where's all this vitriol coming from? You clearly have a chip on your shoulder about Rover. Never really understood that - if you don't like it, don't buy one! But why dedicate your life to bashing them? Have you ever driven one? What do you drive that is so superior? I have a sneaking suspicion you're not even old enough to drive - I'm not sure that anybody who can discount the SD1 Vitesse out of hand can call themselves a petrolhead really... In which case, may I recommend www.bitterandtwistedroverhatersano ?
red_rover said:
Nope - when Rover Group split from BMW, the 1-series was still probably an idea.
All we know is that there is the R30 fully working prototype (Rovers 45 replacment) is languishing in a BMW basement somewhere. Some sceptics believe that the 1-series is just a rebodied version of this and converted to RWD.
The only people who know are BMW and Richard Woolley (head of design at Ford- he designed the 600, the 400 mk2 saloon and the Rover 75).
All we know is that there is the R30 fully working prototype (Rovers 45 replacment) is languishing in a BMW basement somewhere. Some sceptics believe that the 1-series is just a rebodied version of this and converted to RWD.
The only people who know are BMW and Richard Woolley (head of design at Ford- he designed the 600, the 400 mk2 saloon and the Rover 75).
Ah, i was partially on the right lines then
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