Prostester advocating criminal damage to 4x4s
Discussion
I'd like to see him throw mud over some of the 4x4s I know of, and live...
Bristol Evening Post...
www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=16224339&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
Drivers of 4x4s in Bristol face having buckets of mud thrown over their cars as part of a campaign to force gas-guzzlers off the city's streets.Environmental activist David Rose, of Clifton, and his friend Harriet Williams decided to form a new group after seeing the popularity of the four-wheel-drive cars increase in the city.
They are starting a direct action campaign of throwing buckets of mud over parked 4x4s and putting fake parking tickets under their windscreen wipers.
The 42-year-old mature student at Bristol University said: "We are linked with the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s in London, and they are supporting us, after they were successful in campaigning to get a proposed £25 daily congestion charge there.
"Our plan is to make 4x4 drivers look stupid by giving their cars mud washes or placing the fake tickets on them.
"It is non-violent, direct action within the law.
"These vehicles never seem to be used for what they were intended.
"If you live in the country you obviously may need one for off-road driving, but not in Bristol."
Mr Rose said the group's aim was to make driving a 4x4 socially unacceptable and to get Bristol City Council to levy a congestion charge on them in the centre of Bristol. Their main arguments are that the vehicles are environmentally unfriendly and pose a risk to other road users and pedestrians.
Mr Rose said motorists and cyclists also found them difficult to see around.
He said: "There are just so many things wrong with them, we've got volunteers coming forward to join the group for all kinds of reasons.
"Some are just concerned with road safety, because roads in the city are narrow and they pose a danger. They emit higher amounts of carbon than normal cars as well
"We are not anti-car, we are just anti-4x4."
Sports cars were also part of the campaign, he said, but were not as important as 4x4s.
Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why.
"There seems to be more and more of them in Bristol, and I think people are angry about it, and a lot want to do something about it."
The fake parking tickets featured safety and emissions data and the statement "Poor Vehicle Choice", said Mr Rose, who is hoping to develop ones specific to Bristol.
The group was also looking for volunteers to join its steering committee, he said.
In September 2005, cyclists in Bristol launched a poster campaign targeting four-wheel-drive cars.
Members of the Bristol Cycling Campaign sent out 900, A3-size posters to members and supporters bearing the words "No 4x4s" with a road sign type of image "banning" them.
Bob Bull, of the South West branch of the Association of British Drivers, said: "We are totally against the campaign.
"Our view is that these people, once they have finished with 4x4s, will move on to something else like sports cars.
"They won't be satisfied until there are no cars on the roads, it is ridiculous.
"Yes, certain 4x4s are excessive, if they are used in an inappropriate way.
"But where is the cut-off point? I drive an Audi car with four-wheel- drive, my brother-in-law has a Nissan 4x4 which is diesel and more economical than most saloons.
"It's like the whole campaign against the expansion of the airport, I think people just want to have something to moan about."
Wayne Baker, a spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police, said throwing mud washes over cars could be considered as criminal damage.
He said: "It would be regarded as an act of criminal damage, depending on the circumstances.
"It could also be regarded as a public nuisance offence as well."
Bristol Evening Post...
www.thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=16224339&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922
Drivers of 4x4s in Bristol face having buckets of mud thrown over their cars as part of a campaign to force gas-guzzlers off the city's streets.Environmental activist David Rose, of Clifton, and his friend Harriet Williams decided to form a new group after seeing the popularity of the four-wheel-drive cars increase in the city.
They are starting a direct action campaign of throwing buckets of mud over parked 4x4s and putting fake parking tickets under their windscreen wipers.
The 42-year-old mature student at Bristol University said: "We are linked with the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s in London, and they are supporting us, after they were successful in campaigning to get a proposed £25 daily congestion charge there.
"Our plan is to make 4x4 drivers look stupid by giving their cars mud washes or placing the fake tickets on them.
"It is non-violent, direct action within the law.
"These vehicles never seem to be used for what they were intended.
"If you live in the country you obviously may need one for off-road driving, but not in Bristol."
Mr Rose said the group's aim was to make driving a 4x4 socially unacceptable and to get Bristol City Council to levy a congestion charge on them in the centre of Bristol. Their main arguments are that the vehicles are environmentally unfriendly and pose a risk to other road users and pedestrians.
Mr Rose said motorists and cyclists also found them difficult to see around.
He said: "There are just so many things wrong with them, we've got volunteers coming forward to join the group for all kinds of reasons.
"Some are just concerned with road safety, because roads in the city are narrow and they pose a danger. They emit higher amounts of carbon than normal cars as well
"We are not anti-car, we are just anti-4x4."
Sports cars were also part of the campaign, he said, but were not as important as 4x4s.
Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why.
"There seems to be more and more of them in Bristol, and I think people are angry about it, and a lot want to do something about it."
The fake parking tickets featured safety and emissions data and the statement "Poor Vehicle Choice", said Mr Rose, who is hoping to develop ones specific to Bristol.
The group was also looking for volunteers to join its steering committee, he said.
In September 2005, cyclists in Bristol launched a poster campaign targeting four-wheel-drive cars.
Members of the Bristol Cycling Campaign sent out 900, A3-size posters to members and supporters bearing the words "No 4x4s" with a road sign type of image "banning" them.
Bob Bull, of the South West branch of the Association of British Drivers, said: "We are totally against the campaign.
"Our view is that these people, once they have finished with 4x4s, will move on to something else like sports cars.
"They won't be satisfied until there are no cars on the roads, it is ridiculous.
"Yes, certain 4x4s are excessive, if they are used in an inappropriate way.
"But where is the cut-off point? I drive an Audi car with four-wheel- drive, my brother-in-law has a Nissan 4x4 which is diesel and more economical than most saloons.
"It's like the whole campaign against the expansion of the airport, I think people just want to have something to moan about."
Wayne Baker, a spokesman for Avon and Somerset Police, said throwing mud washes over cars could be considered as criminal damage.
He said: "It would be regarded as an act of criminal damage, depending on the circumstances.
"It could also be regarded as a public nuisance offence as well."
Edited by Ubertractor on Wednesday 20th December 16:18
ING JOB HIPPY!Quote "The 42-year-old mature student at Bristol University said: "We are linked with the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s in London, and they are supporting us, after they were successful in campaigning to get a proposed £25 daily congestion charge there"
42 year old mature student? A government sponge more like! He'd be better off campaigning for people of his age to get out of school and get a job!
Quit worrying about income and council tax paying contributors to society, and the cars they choose to drive, and get a life. Citizen Smith was in the 70's!!
That'll do for my turn on the
42 year old mature student? A government sponge more like! He'd be better off campaigning for people of his age to get out of school and get a job!
Quit worrying about income and council tax paying contributors to society, and the cars they choose to drive, and get a life. Citizen Smith was in the 70's!!
That'll do for my turn on the
If I was in a 4x4 and some hippy student layabout threw mud over it I would strike down upon them with great vengeance and furious anger.I don't even have a 4x4, but this has made me so angry.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
Edited by nem351s on Wednesday 20th December 16:29
nem351s said:
I don't even have a 4x4, but this has made me so angry.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
This sums it all up...
"Mr Rose said the vehicles represented a major part of the culture of conspicuous consumption.
He said: "Part of the thing with them is showing off, I don't know why."
I want to remove his eyes with a spoon.
Edited by nem351s on Wednesday 20th December 16:29
Anyone up for a pub crawl round the Bristol Student Union bars?
I think they might stop taking direct action the first time one of 'em gets the crap beaten out of them.
I spent some highly enjoyable formative years living in Bristol...and still travel there regularly on business. I don't remember any of my Bristolian friends being "shy" about anything at all...they're a forthright people. Some twonk from the Uni isn't likely to faze any of the chaps I know...
Of course. I'm sure any of 'em wouldn't stoop to giving someone damaging their car in front of them a serious hiding. Oh no. Of course they wouldn't...
I spent some highly enjoyable formative years living in Bristol...and still travel there regularly on business. I don't remember any of my Bristolian friends being "shy" about anything at all...they're a forthright people. Some twonk from the Uni isn't likely to faze any of the chaps I know...
Of course. I'm sure any of 'em wouldn't stoop to giving someone damaging their car in front of them a serious hiding. Oh no. Of course they wouldn't...
idiot said:
Sports cars were also part of the campaign, he said, but were not as important as 4x4s.
as predicted on PH sometime ago.
for all the PHers who agree that 4x4s are bad - just remember that its your sports cars next
queue the quote that goes "they came for X and i didn't do anything....."
Edited by tinman0 on Wednesday 20th December 16:38
Urgent message to 42 year old student Mr Rose.
I live in the countryside near Bristol. Amongst the extended fleet I have a 4*4 which is used for about 6,500 miles a year. Of that mileage over half is done either off road or travelling to and from the locations that require off road driving.
The 4*4 can occasionally be seen parked around Clifton. At this time of year if you put a pile of mud on the vehicle I wouldn't notice. If however I were to spot you doing it, I predict you would trip over and your head would hit the pavement at great speed.....
Who the hell are you to assume the vehicle usage patern of a random vehicle you see parked on a street.
GET A FECKING JOB
I live in the countryside near Bristol. Amongst the extended fleet I have a 4*4 which is used for about 6,500 miles a year. Of that mileage over half is done either off road or travelling to and from the locations that require off road driving.
The 4*4 can occasionally be seen parked around Clifton. At this time of year if you put a pile of mud on the vehicle I wouldn't notice. If however I were to spot you doing it, I predict you would trip over and your head would hit the pavement at great speed.....
Who the hell are you to assume the vehicle usage patern of a random vehicle you see parked on a street. GET A FECKING JOB Edited by dazren on Wednesday 20th December 16:49
Ubertractor said:
"If you live in the country you obviously may need one for off-road driving, but not in Bristol."
Edited by Ubertractor on Wednesday 20th December 16:18
Great arguement
, I live in the country but have to go into Bristol to visit customers. Does this mean I have to leave a sticker on my Mitsu telling this pillock my address or even a map with my village circled on it so he can judge whether or not to chuck mud over my motor!! Can't wait to meet him 
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