Tired motorist jailed over death
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There are no winners in cases like this...
If the driver was a 'normal guy' then he probably won't forgive himself and is probably the least likely person to do it again, so 5 years seems harsh.
But for the victims family 5 years is nothing as they have a life sentence.
Unfortunately I speak from experience as my brother was killed in May and the trial for his killer is due soon...
He was an uninsured scumbag driving a scooby for the first time, and managed to 'jump' a central reservation, ran from the scene etc and I feel hanging is too good for him, no doubt his family see it differently.
If the driver was a 'normal guy' then he probably won't forgive himself and is probably the least likely person to do it again, so 5 years seems harsh.
But for the victims family 5 years is nothing as they have a life sentence.
Unfortunately I speak from experience as my brother was killed in May and the trial for his killer is due soon...
He was an uninsured scumbag driving a scooby for the first time, and managed to 'jump' a central reservation, ran from the scene etc and I feel hanging is too good for him, no doubt his family see it differently.
Parrot of Doom said:
In the trial it was shown that the driver basically didn't give a shit about the cyclist, not even bothering to return to the crash scene to help out at all.
I'm glad hes been locked up.
I'm glad hes been locked up.
so am I
redgriff I'm sorry to hear that I'm sure we all hope he gets what he deserves although it will still never be enough - best wishes
stigcv8 said:
was there a cycle path on that stretch of road?
why is that relevant? cycles are allowed on the road.
more comments and info on this thread...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=350275&f=10&h=0
redgriff500 said:
There are no winners in cases like this...
If the driver was a 'normal guy' then he probably won't forgive himself and is probably the least likely person to do it again, so 5 years seems harsh.
But for the victims family 5 years is nothing as they have a life sentence.
Unfortunately I speak from experience as my brother was killed in May and the trial for his killer is due soon...
He was an uninsured scumbag driving a scooby for the first time, and managed to 'jump' a central reservation, ran from the scene etc and I feel hanging is too good for him, no doubt his family see it differently.
If the driver was a 'normal guy' then he probably won't forgive himself and is probably the least likely person to do it again, so 5 years seems harsh.
But for the victims family 5 years is nothing as they have a life sentence.
Unfortunately I speak from experience as my brother was killed in May and the trial for his killer is due soon...
He was an uninsured scumbag driving a scooby for the first time, and managed to 'jump' a central reservation, ran from the scene etc and I feel hanging is too good for him, no doubt his family see it differently.
Commiserations for the loss of your brother; and voodoo-curses from the PH massive upon the culprit.
eccles said:
stigcv8 said:
was there a cycle path on that stretch of road?
why is that relevant? cycles are allowed on the road.
more comments and info on this thread...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=350275&f=10&h=0
it is relevant though, cycle lanes are for a reason and although it in no way excuses the driver of the car it would perhaps be a wake up call to cyclists who believe riding on the road is safer than riding on a dedicated cycle path
eccles said:
if you read the thread i linked to someone there suggests that the cyclist was actually in a lay-by when he got hit. so the cyclist couldn't have been more helpful, yet he still got hit.
I'm not even arguing about what he was doing and there is no avoiding the fact he was killed by someone who has been charged and found guilty of being at fault. Maybe he was in a layby, maybe not, but regardless of the facts this country seems to run heavily on the results of what happens so maybe now cyclists will be enforced to ride in the cycle lanes provided (as and when they are) as they should do already.
I have a lot of sympathy for hit and run drivers. People do silly things when they are in a state of panic.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
stigcv8 said:
eccles said:
if you read the thread i linked to someone there suggests that the cyclist was actually in a lay-by when he got hit. so the cyclist couldn't have been more helpful, yet he still got hit.
I'm not even arguing about what he was doing and there is no avoiding the fact he was killed by someone who has been charged and found guilty of being at fault. Maybe he was in a layby, maybe not, but regardless of the facts this country seems to run heavily on the results of what happens so maybe now cyclists will be enforced to ride in the cycle lanes provided (as and when they are) as they should do already.
so a cyclist has done nothing wrong, its all the car drivers fault, and you still want to divert the thread against cyclists! its the main A11, there is no cycle lane, so that argument doesn't come into it!
Thanks...
The police told me of another case that would be hard to judge...
Driver A (perfectly normal, law abiding parent)in a side road, his foot slips off the clutch and car jumps forward a couple of feet...
Unfortunately he hits Driver B at the side / rear...
This makes Driver B go up the kurb and he pins a girl to a wall...
She looses her legs.
Driver B is declared totally innocent
Driver A was unfortunate, girls parents want him charged with dangerous driving and jailed...
I'm glad I wasn't the judge.
The police told me of another case that would be hard to judge...
Driver A (perfectly normal, law abiding parent)in a side road, his foot slips off the clutch and car jumps forward a couple of feet...
Unfortunately he hits Driver B at the side / rear...
This makes Driver B go up the kurb and he pins a girl to a wall...
She looses her legs.
Driver B is declared totally innocent
Driver A was unfortunate, girls parents want him charged with dangerous driving and jailed...
I'm glad I wasn't the judge.
Julian64 said:
I have a lot of sympathy for hit and run drivers. People do silly things when they are in a state of panic.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
But you're not an alien. You've grown up, as we all have regardless of where we live in the world, in a culture of pedestrians, cyclist, horseriders trying to 'make progress'.
As for your breakdown of post-hit & run mentality; it stinks. If you've done something wrong, face up to it.
stigcv8 said:
eccles said:
if you read the thread i linked to someone there suggests that the cyclist was actually in a lay-by when he got hit. so the cyclist couldn't have been more helpful, yet he still got hit.
I'm not even arguing about what he was doing and there is no avoiding the fact he was killed by someone who has been charged and found guilty of being at fault. Maybe he was in a layby, maybe not, but regardless of the facts this country seems to run heavily on the results of what happens so maybe now cyclists will be enforced to ride in the cycle lanes provided (as and when they are) as they should do already.
I'm really starting to feel like I've had enough of this forum. Pistonheads: Ignorance Matters
stigcv8 said:
eccles said:
stigcv8 said:
was there a cycle path on that stretch of road?
why is that relevant? cycles are allowed on the road.
more comments and info on this thread...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=350275&f=10&h=0
it is relevant though, cycle lanes are for a reason and although it in no way excuses the driver of the car it would perhaps be a wake up call to cyclists who believe riding on the road is safer than riding on a dedicated cycle path
Cycling on the road is safer than cycle path. I'll dig out the accident stats & put them on the other post.
eccles said:
stigcv8 said:
eccles said:
if you read the thread i linked to someone there suggests that the cyclist was actually in a lay-by when he got hit. so the cyclist couldn't have been more helpful, yet he still got hit.
I'm not even arguing about what he was doing and there is no avoiding the fact he was killed by someone who has been charged and found guilty of being at fault. Maybe he was in a layby, maybe not, but regardless of the facts this country seems to run heavily on the results of what happens so maybe now cyclists will be enforced to ride in the cycle lanes provided (as and when they are) as they should do already.
so a cyclist has done nothing wrong, its all the car drivers fault, and you still want to divert the thread against cyclists! its the main A11, there is no cycle lane, so that argument doesn't come into it!
No I am not diverting anything, I am opening up (or attempting to) a valid argument about the use of cycle lanes.
What do you think when you see a school mum attempting to cross a busy road, with her kids, only 100 yards from a pelican crossing? Have you ever considered using that same thought and applying it to cyclists who refuse to ride on cycle paths?
bga said:
stigcv8 said:
eccles said:
stigcv8 said:
was there a cycle path on that stretch of road?
why is that relevant? cycles are allowed on the road.
more comments and info on this thread...
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=350275&f=10&h=0
it is relevant though, cycle lanes are for a reason and although it in no way excuses the driver of the car it would perhaps be a wake up call to cyclists who believe riding on the road is safer than riding on a dedicated cycle path
Cycling on the road is safer than cycle path. I'll dig out the accident stats & put them on the other post.
Personally I cycle on the path whenever possible as I think it is safer. The law is irrelevant when it comes down to personal safety.
Selmer said:
Julian64 said:
I have a lot of sympathy for hit and run drivers. People do silly things when they are in a state of panic.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
It only takes a moments loss of concentration, I think we've all been there. Possibly too tired to be driving, pushing a little too hard, and sometimes by the time you've realised your doing something stupid its too late.
If I was a alien from another planet looking at cars moving at 50mph within a few feet of cyclists. People on flimsy bits of metal with no protection I might ask myself why this doesn't happen more often. I would probably ask myself whether the roads are just too busy for cyclists in this country and that the cyclist is partly culpable. After all if he was in a car surrounded by airbags and metal it would have just been another one of those trivial accidents that insurance companies yawn at.
The fact that a cyclist gets killed is a terrible tragedy, I have talked in my time to both sets of families and I would have a lot of sympathy for the families of both parties. But in the accident situation the driver has a spilt second to decide whether to stay or run. Whether panic is making that decision or a rational mind, running when someone is dead or dying and possibly in need of urgent lifesaving help should be jailed.
But you're not an alien. You've grown up, as we all have regardless of where we live in the world, in a culture of pedestrians, cyclist, horseriders trying to 'make progress'.
As for your breakdown of post-hit & run mentality; it stinks. If you've done something wrong, face up to it.
Respectfully suggest you haven't actually read the post you're commenting on. I want him jailed
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