RUF BTR2 (or is it?)
Discussion
Just noticed this: www.autotrader.co.nz/used-car/PORSCHE/RUF%20BTR%20II/Canterbury/2408570.aspx
(and on dealer's website here: www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra.asp?ArtID=1541775333 )
A 1995 993 for sale down here in NZ claiming to be a RUF BTR2:
And not that I'm even remotely near being in a position to buy it, thought I'd ask some questions about it anyway...
It says 3200cc turbo - So presumably a Carrera with turbo conversion - but I thought 993 Carreras were 3.6?
The ad also says it has a 'clutchless 5-speed manual' but in the photo it looks like a regular manual gear lever. Whats likely to be the story there? were RUF installing PDK gearboxes or something, or the advertiser just a bit confused?
They also have a "2000 Porsche Ruff coupe" which is apparently a 993 RUF convertible, also claiming to be 3.2 turbo with clutchless manual gearbox. Unless my Porsche knowledge is greatly flawed though they weren't making 993s in 2000, though perhaps RUF modified it in 2000?
www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra.asp?ArtID=-1385113820
Anyway, you lot are much more knowledgeable than me on things of a RUF nature, so any thoughts?
(and on dealer's website here: www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra.asp?ArtID=1541775333 )
A 1995 993 for sale down here in NZ claiming to be a RUF BTR2:
And not that I'm even remotely near being in a position to buy it, thought I'd ask some questions about it anyway...
It says 3200cc turbo - So presumably a Carrera with turbo conversion - but I thought 993 Carreras were 3.6?
The ad also says it has a 'clutchless 5-speed manual' but in the photo it looks like a regular manual gear lever. Whats likely to be the story there? were RUF installing PDK gearboxes or something, or the advertiser just a bit confused?
They also have a "2000 Porsche Ruff coupe" which is apparently a 993 RUF convertible, also claiming to be 3.2 turbo with clutchless manual gearbox. Unless my Porsche knowledge is greatly flawed though they weren't making 993s in 2000, though perhaps RUF modified it in 2000?
www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra.asp?ArtID=-1385113820
Anyway, you lot are much more knowledgeable than me on things of a RUF nature, so any thoughts?
Edited by GravelBen on Wednesday 18th April 15:26
The engine info is wrong, and the wing isnt typical 993 BTR fair. (Ruf used the turbo wing from the 964, as the 994 turbo was not out at the time.)
It has the rain gutters too. I would say it is definitely a BTR conversion, and a lot has been spent on it. The seller has just stupidly got the facts wrong...
it is a beauty though...
best,
adam
It has the rain gutters too. I would say it is definitely a BTR conversion, and a lot has been spent on it. The seller has just stupidly got the facts wrong...
it is a beauty though...
best,
adam
RUF offered an electronic clutch in around 1993, using Automotive Products parts.
There was a chap in an issue of Total 911 and needed hand controls after a bike smash, had RUF build him a BTR with the system fitted. Sounded like a great idea, but seemed to quietly disappear. Not sure if RUF could still fit to an older 911?
I've got an old issue of Performance Car with a review of a very blue 964 based BTR with the system fitted.
There was a chap in an issue of Total 911 and needed hand controls after a bike smash, had RUF build him a BTR with the system fitted. Sounded like a great idea, but seemed to quietly disappear. Not sure if RUF could still fit to an older 911?
I've got an old issue of Performance Car with a review of a very blue 964 based BTR with the system fitted.
G'day,
I know the rear spoilers are easily upgraded but not sure about the roof gutter delete as standard equipment on 993 BTR 11's.
There was a 993 RUF BTR 11 for sale in Sydney,I was lucky enough to have a look at it.
It was Riveria Blue in colour RHD with EKS system.
It had the rain gutters and similar/same rear spoiler as car mentioned above.
It was featured in "Total 911" magazine November 2005 Isuue 6.
I assume not many 993BTR 11's in Right hand drive were built so this car might also have been in "Performance and Style" magazine February 1995 then fitted with a standard type Turbo rear spoiler.
There was also 993 BTR 11 advertised in New Zealand maybe 12 months ago, from memory a metallic green in colour with same/similar rear spoiler as current car advertised and what looks like standard roof gutters in the photo's.
Regards,
Charlie
I know the rear spoilers are easily upgraded but not sure about the roof gutter delete as standard equipment on 993 BTR 11's.
There was a 993 RUF BTR 11 for sale in Sydney,I was lucky enough to have a look at it.
It was Riveria Blue in colour RHD with EKS system.
It had the rain gutters and similar/same rear spoiler as car mentioned above.
It was featured in "Total 911" magazine November 2005 Isuue 6.
I assume not many 993BTR 11's in Right hand drive were built so this car might also have been in "Performance and Style" magazine February 1995 then fitted with a standard type Turbo rear spoiler.
There was also 993 BTR 11 advertised in New Zealand maybe 12 months ago, from memory a metallic green in colour with same/similar rear spoiler as current car advertised and what looks like standard roof gutters in the photo's.
Regards,
Charlie
CBM said:
G'day,
I know the rear spoilers are easily upgraded but not sure about the roof gutter delete as standard equipment on 993 BTR 11's.
There was a 993 RUF BTR 11 for sale in Sydney,I was lucky enough to have a look at it.
It was Riveria Blue in colour RHD with EKS system.
It had the rain gutters and similar/same rear spoiler as car mentioned above.
It was featured in "Total 911" magazine November 2005 Isuue 6.
I assume not many 993BTR 11's in Right hand drive were built so this car might also have been in "Performance and Style" magazine February 1995 then fitted with a standard type Turbo rear spoiler.
There was also 993 BTR 11 advertised in New Zealand maybe 12 months ago, from memory a metallic green in colour with same/similar rear spoiler as current car advertised and what looks like standard roof gutters in the photo's.
Regards,
Charlie
I know the rear spoilers are easily upgraded but not sure about the roof gutter delete as standard equipment on 993 BTR 11's.
There was a 993 RUF BTR 11 for sale in Sydney,I was lucky enough to have a look at it.
It was Riveria Blue in colour RHD with EKS system.
It had the rain gutters and similar/same rear spoiler as car mentioned above.
It was featured in "Total 911" magazine November 2005 Isuue 6.
I assume not many 993BTR 11's in Right hand drive were built so this car might also have been in "Performance and Style" magazine February 1995 then fitted with a standard type Turbo rear spoiler.
There was also 993 BTR 11 advertised in New Zealand maybe 12 months ago, from memory a metallic green in colour with same/similar rear spoiler as current car advertised and what looks like standard roof gutters in the photo's.
Regards,
Charlie
Rain gutter delete, is standard equipment for all RUF built cars, unless the owner specifically asks for the gutters, which is extremely rare.
These cars are probably really great conversions. All we need are the Vins and then you can tell...
best,
adam
Thanks for the response guys, thought it looked interesting 
Have any of you driven one of the EKS clutch cars? if so how do they compare to a reasonable left foot in terms of speed and smoothness?
The ad does say 'fully modified by the RUF workshop in Germany' rather than 'built by...' so adamt's comment about the rain gutters etc makes sense, I never knew that was a way to tell RUF factory cs modified cars. Learn something new every day
How does it compare for price to a UK or European RUF BTR? $120k NZ being about 44k GBP.
If only I had that sort of money...sadly I don't think the student loan would stretch that far
Have any of you driven one of the EKS clutch cars? if so how do they compare to a reasonable left foot in terms of speed and smoothness?
The ad does say 'fully modified by the RUF workshop in Germany' rather than 'built by...' so adamt's comment about the rain gutters etc makes sense, I never knew that was a way to tell RUF factory cs modified cars. Learn something new every day
How does it compare for price to a UK or European RUF BTR? $120k NZ being about 44k GBP.
If only I had that sort of money...sadly I don't think the student loan would stretch that far
sleep envy said:
GravelBen said:
How does it compare for price to a UK or European RUF BTR? $120k NZ being about 44k GBP.
if it isn't a factory built Ruf then all it is is a 993 with Ruf mods which, in my eyes, doesn't make it any more valuble than a standard 993
Even with turboed engine?....I'd say that it's in the right ballpark - in fact, given BZ prices on luxury cars, it's actually quite cheap
G'day AdamT,
"Rain gutter delete, is standard equipment for all RUF built cars, unless the owner specifically asks for the gutters, which is extremely rare.
These cars are probably really great conversions. All we need are the Vins and then you can tell..."
Thankyou for the information,always good to know more about the great cars built by RUF.
I do not have the Vin number, but the 993 BTR 2 In Sydney with gutters was a genuine Ruf,"Total 911" magazine issue 6 has an informative article and some nice photo's of it.
The salesman from Galleria Veloce [They are also the Australian agent for Koenigsegg]pointed the vin plate out to me when I viewed the car.
Adam keep up the good work with your Mighty RUF CTR and R-Turbo,it is always good to see them getting their legs stretched
Regards from Down Under,
Charlie
[As an aside, I have Marc Bongers book on RUF ,it is an excellent resource and I thoroughly recommend it to anyone else who is keen to learn more about RUF and their products,the Faszination Plus DVD is also great viewing and a bargain in my opinion.]
"Rain gutter delete, is standard equipment for all RUF built cars, unless the owner specifically asks for the gutters, which is extremely rare.
These cars are probably really great conversions. All we need are the Vins and then you can tell..."
Thankyou for the information,always good to know more about the great cars built by RUF.
I do not have the Vin number, but the 993 BTR 2 In Sydney with gutters was a genuine Ruf,"Total 911" magazine issue 6 has an informative article and some nice photo's of it.
The salesman from Galleria Veloce [They are also the Australian agent for Koenigsegg]pointed the vin plate out to me when I viewed the car.
Adam keep up the good work with your Mighty RUF CTR and R-Turbo,it is always good to see them getting their legs stretched
Regards from Down Under,
Charlie
[As an aside, I have Marc Bongers book on RUF ,it is an excellent resource and I thoroughly recommend it to anyone else who is keen to learn more about RUF and their products,the Faszination Plus DVD is also great viewing and a bargain in my opinion.]
sleep envy said:
GravelBen said:
How does it compare for price to a UK or European RUF BTR? $120k NZ being about 44k GBP.
if it isn't a factory built Ruf then all it is is a 993 with Ruf mods which, in my eyes, doesn't make it any more valuble than a standard 993
which, in your eyes, are more valuable than oxygen.
CBM said:
G'day AdamT,
"Adam keep up the good work with your Mighty RUF CTR and R-Turbo,it is always good to see them getting their legs stretched
Regards from Down Under,
Charlie
[As an aside, I have Marc Bongers book on RUF ,it is an excellent resource and I thoroughly recommend it to anyone else who is keen to learn more about RUF and their products,the Faszination Plus DVD is also great viewing and a bargain in my opinion.]
"Adam keep up the good work with your Mighty RUF CTR and R-Turbo,it is always good to see them getting their legs stretched
Regards from Down Under,
Charlie
[As an aside, I have Marc Bongers book on RUF ,it is an excellent resource and I thoroughly recommend it to anyone else who is keen to learn more about RUF and their products,the Faszination Plus DVD is also great viewing and a bargain in my opinion.]
Thanks Charlie, much appreciated,
best,
adam
Hi all
Both of the vehicles are registered in NZ as RUF BTR-2, Porsche is not mentioned on the reg docs.
I saw the red coupe in the flesh a couple of weeks ago at a track day, sadly the owner was watching not driving, it certainly is a beautiful car and the new owner is very happy with it.
I have now purchased the blue convertible
http://www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra....
just waiting for it to be delivered to the North Island here in sunny NZ.
Regards
KJL
Both of the vehicles are registered in NZ as RUF BTR-2, Porsche is not mentioned on the reg docs.
I saw the red coupe in the flesh a couple of weeks ago at a track day, sadly the owner was watching not driving, it certainly is a beautiful car and the new owner is very happy with it.
I have now purchased the blue convertible
http://www.liveupdater.com/ra-cars/LiveArticle-ra....
just waiting for it to be delivered to the North Island here in sunny NZ.
Regards
KJL
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