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Check this, what are Lincolnshire police on ? I wonder if they pulled the guy over or not. What if they did and the liver recipient died because he/she didn't get it in time ?
www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_785010.html
www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_785010.html
Check this, what are Lincolnshire police on ? I wonder if they pulled the guy over or not. What if they did and the liver recipient died because he/she didn't get it in time ?
www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_785010.html
I hope the liver was for a member of the plods family......man im angry tonight!!
This is what we are up against. This kind of idiocy, blinkered "enforcement" come what may.
Seems that the ability to reason isnt a requirement for a cop any longer.
Put it like this, hope the cop in question is proud to have "saved a life" while hopefully not taking another, oh, and i hope that nick helped him meet his "theft targets" for the month.
FIRE THEM!!!!!
Seems that the ability to reason isnt a requirement for a cop any longer.
Put it like this, hope the cop in question is proud to have "saved a life" while hopefully not taking another, oh, and i hope that nick helped him meet his "theft targets" for the month.
FIRE THEM!!!!!
deltaf said: This is what we are up against. This kind of idiocy, blinkered "enforcement" come what may.
Seems that the ability to reason isnt a requirement for a cop any longer.
Put it like this, hope the cop in question is proud to have "saved a life" while hopefully not taking another, oh, and i hope that nick helped him meet his "theft targets" for the month.
FIRE THEM!!!!!
I am disgusted by this. (not you deltaf)
>> Edited by MoJocvh on Monday 26th May 23:52
I am appalled at this. A while ago I watched a documentary where the Met police provided an escort for an ambulance carrying an urgent transplant item from the M11 to the Portland Hospital in west London going through central London. Clearly Lincolnshire Plod operate slightly differently in more blatently put tax revenue raising before saving lives. 
I suppose the fcukers will be doing fire engines next month. DAZ
dazren said:
DAZ
lincolnshire plod do operate slightly more dastardly than the average - have you seen the A15? :gimps: I can hardly believe this story
I got out of bed fuming at this one. At least (according to the BBC news website) Cambridgshire police didn't pull him because road and weather conditions were perfect. I hope the next time an injured cop is in dire need of an ambulance the medics take their time. Will anyone ever see sense in this bloody country???
I've just spent an enlighting 2 weeks in Spain where I drove over 1,200 miles. Although their driving is completely appaling (panel beaters would have a field day there) no-one gives a toss about speeding (or any other minor motoring crime) there. I was doing 120kph on a motorway and was being passed constantly, even by cops. For a country which is supposedly backward they really do have their heads screwed on in every way possible, much more than our society. I think I might emigrate there very quickly if more crap like the above happens..........
I've just spent an enlighting 2 weeks in Spain where I drove over 1,200 miles. Although their driving is completely appaling (panel beaters would have a field day there) no-one gives a toss about speeding (or any other minor motoring crime) there. I was doing 120kph on a motorway and was being passed constantly, even by cops. For a country which is supposedly backward they really do have their heads screwed on in every way possible, much more than our society. I think I might emigrate there very quickly if more crap like the above happens..........
There may be more to this than meets the eye. Was he actually on a tight deadline? If the liver needed to be there by, say, 6am and he arrived at 5am, then he was doing excessive speed, he could have done it comfortably at 70mph. The Police may just be getting fed up with these guys using the "I'm delivering organs" line as an excuse to belt down the road with the blue lights on. We need to know all the facts before we decide who's in the right here. Very few, if any, transplant patients are already opened up on the slab, while the organ is in transit.
Andy
Andy
This is utterly disgusting....
First point - yes, there is a timeframe that a transplant organ can be out of a body. However, as with most things, the longer you leave it the more the chance of complications or rejection of the organ. Therefore the time between people (doesnt that sound strange) is critical - which is why transplant organs are flown by helicopter frequently.... Could the driver have done it at 70MPH? Probably, but if the risk increases, it makes sense to blast to get the organ to the other person - especially due to the lack of transplant organs in the UK at the moment, the receipient was probably at deaths door anyway!!!
Second point - I just hope and pray that the policeman/men/woman involved in this needs some form of medical treatment / transplant in the future. Because I will be there to ensure that the ambulance doesnt speed and obeys law.... if it means that the said person dies, so be it, I'll do it personally too! - because that is exactly what they have potentially done to the poor receipient of the organ in this case (ok, so they didnt die, but the risks are higher and the intent is there!).
Not content with picking on the poor unsuspecting motorist to boost figures, they are concentrating on emergency vehicles now! Why dont they focus on real crimes like rape, murder and child abuse? Oh, cos it is easier to get the figures up by 'doing' motorists..... What has this country come to?
Disgusted
Paul
First point - yes, there is a timeframe that a transplant organ can be out of a body. However, as with most things, the longer you leave it the more the chance of complications or rejection of the organ. Therefore the time between people (doesnt that sound strange) is critical - which is why transplant organs are flown by helicopter frequently.... Could the driver have done it at 70MPH? Probably, but if the risk increases, it makes sense to blast to get the organ to the other person - especially due to the lack of transplant organs in the UK at the moment, the receipient was probably at deaths door anyway!!!
Second point - I just hope and pray that the policeman/men/woman involved in this needs some form of medical treatment / transplant in the future. Because I will be there to ensure that the ambulance doesnt speed and obeys law.... if it means that the said person dies, so be it, I'll do it personally too! - because that is exactly what they have potentially done to the poor receipient of the organ in this case (ok, so they didnt die, but the risks are higher and the intent is there!).
Not content with picking on the poor unsuspecting motorist to boost figures, they are concentrating on emergency vehicles now! Why dont they focus on real crimes like rape, murder and child abuse? Oh, cos it is easier to get the figures up by 'doing' motorists..... What has this country come to?
Disgusted
Paul
andyf007 said: There may be more to this than meets the eye. Was he actually on a tight deadline? If the liver needed to be there by, say, 6am and he arrived at 5am, then he was doing excessive speed, he could have done it comfortably at 70mph. The Police may just be getting fed up with these guys using the "I'm delivering organs" line as an excuse to belt down the road with the blue lights on. We need to know all the facts before we decide who's in the right here. Very few, if any, transplant patients are already opened up on the slab, while the organ is in transit.
Andy
Now I'm not a doctor or anything, but surely the polystyrene box (or whatever) the organ is transported in is not as good as the storage facilities in the hospital.
So I would imagine that the driver should minimise the transport time as much as possible while obviously not putting further life in danger. Clearly Cambridge police agreed, but Linconshire obviously haven't caught any burglers/rapists/murderers this month and needed to make up the numbers, and a few quid.
fecking b0ll0cks another example of the rozzers loosing sight of the bigger picture, that ridiculous convictions like this are reducing public confidence in the police force, and the resentment that is clearly growing will effect the help they are likely to recieve from the people they are victimising.
*phew* there feel better now... wheres that cup of tea.
ahh but people look on the bright side.
keep a copy of this document with you at all times, when you are stopped perform the citizens arrest thing and tada another one bites the dust.
if we all do this on the site we could ge thte police back on the beat or on push bikes in a few weeks. four each to one copper should sort it out
After all otherwise it is one rule for them and another for us and it would nver be like that would it
keep a copy of this document with you at all times, when you are stopped perform the citizens arrest thing and tada another one bites the dust.
if we all do this on the site we could ge thte police back on the beat or on push bikes in a few weeks. four each to one copper should sort it out
After all otherwise it is one rule for them and another for us and it would nver be like that would it
but doesnt it all come down to the old chestnut of camera rather than human enforcement no shades of grey no leeway you were doing 104 so youre done matey .It was 3.30am clear conditions and a Vectra with its blue lights on, Id imagine had an actual copper seen him he'd have been left alone ???
andyf007 said: There may be more to this than meets the eye. Was he actually on a tight deadline? If the liver needed to be there by, say, 6am and he arrived at 5am, then he was doing excessive speed, he could have done it comfortably at 70mph. The Police may just be getting fed up with these guys using the "I'm delivering organs" line as an excuse to belt down the road with the blue lights on. We need to know all the facts before we decide who's in the right here. Very few, if any, transplant patients are already opened up on the slab, while the organ is in transit.
Andy
Dead right, its like the cops are late for tea and put their blue lights on and speed.
if there is not a justifiable reason, ie emergency then he should not be on blues and speeding. (speed limits too low is another topic).
Its like the RSPCA, arnt allowed blue lights as a dying animal is regarded as not sufficent to justify the extra risk of a blue light dash.
The risk does increase with speed, no matter how small but if he was on a 'jolly' ie should not have had the blues on but simply a tranport job, then he is wrong for speeding and having blues on.
Initally the news report has a OMG what on earth is happening, but all the facts arnt know.
There has to be a balance between the risk of getting their quickly as possible and the risk to others. Perhaps this time the need to transplant was not 'urgent' and did not require speeding.
Red mist? Better to get there safely then not to get there at all. It sounds hard on the guy but can see it from both sides.
Having so almost having a head on with an ambulance overtaking on my side and almost being run off the road which later I found out was transporting a person with a non life threating injury, makes me question if all the blue light dashes are really justified and the increased risk to all concerned.
like to hear some more info on this case.
How can you make such sweeping judgements and statements about a small piece of information taken from a local rag without knowing THE FULL CIRCUMSTANCES?
As is often the way on PH, a large majority condemn situations on the absolute briefest of information.
I hope that those who think and post along these lines don't have to rely on similar thinking people if they are ever in the unfortunate position of sitting on the wrong side of a jury.
Why don't you wait to find out all the facts before posting your opinions?
So often I get a feeling of 'Tunnel vision' from many on this site (Not all, I admit).
I can understand PHrs posting with gripes and moans about situations they have found themselves in but to comment on stuff like this with such vitriole shows how narrow minded some of you can be!
'Gob off' as you will, but understand that you are not operating with all the facts!
No Police Officer I know, even civilians employed by the Police would prosecute someone who was in the act of saving life, from blood delivery to casualty evacuation.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!!
>> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 27th May 11:25
As is often the way on PH, a large majority condemn situations on the absolute briefest of information.
I hope that those who think and post along these lines don't have to rely on similar thinking people if they are ever in the unfortunate position of sitting on the wrong side of a jury.
Why don't you wait to find out all the facts before posting your opinions?
So often I get a feeling of 'Tunnel vision' from many on this site (Not all, I admit).
I can understand PHrs posting with gripes and moans about situations they have found themselves in but to comment on stuff like this with such vitriole shows how narrow minded some of you can be!
'Gob off' as you will, but understand that you are not operating with all the facts! No Police Officer I know, even civilians employed by the Police would prosecute someone who was in the act of saving life, from blood delivery to casualty evacuation.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!!! >> Edited by madcop on Tuesday 27th May 11:25
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