140 mph punishment.
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bobthebench said: Like shit on the sole of your shoe !!
Seriously, wouldn't be prosecuted for speeding itself, expect a more serious charge. Sentence likely to involve prison sentence, 3-12 months, and a very long ban, 2 to 5 years, with a retest at the end.
I hope your kiddig about that! you get less for murder ffs
mybrainhurts said: If it's so desperately dangerous as to warrant such punishment, why do they permit traffic plod to place us in mortal jeopardy as they drive by?
because any Plod that drives that fast on four wheels has taken and passed the Police Advanced Driving Certificate, drives to the System of Car Control, and therefore stands a bl00dy good chance of being safer at 140mph that most numpties (who've never heard of SoCC - observation? Wossat?) are at 40mph. Add to that the fact that Plod would never travel that fast unless at least one life was already in danger.
not a personal criticism, Bob - I know you're telling it how it is, but this is absolutely disgusting.
bobthebench said:Seriously, wouldn't be prosecuted for speeding itself, expect a more serious charge. Sentence likely to involve prison sentence, 3-12 months, and a very long ban, 2 to 5 years, with a retest at the end.
I can appreciate that there may be aggrevating factors which might push up the punishment.. But 3-12 months in prison for 140mph? What the fcuk?
Can there be anyone who posts on PH that's never seen that sort of speed on the motorway, even if only for a brief moment?
How can such a sentence be justified?
I'm sure you don't need me to expound at length about prison overcrowding, community sentencing and the general feeling in society that justice isn't being done on a whole raft of issues, particularly violent crime and theft. Yet speeders are deprived of their liberty, risk losing their livelyhood, family, home etc and becoming a burden on society in spite of formerly being a prosperous contributor to society and the economy.
It's just a sick joke. Not funny at all.
>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Thursday 5th June 09:48
toad_oftoadhall said:
because any Plod that drives that fast on four wheels has taken and passed the Police Advanced Driving Certificate,
...and this has led them to believe that 140mph *can* on occasions be safe...
Not necessarily 'safe' - I said 'safer' which is different. Risk of sh!t happening increases exponentially with speed, but the risk can be minimised and to an extent mitigated by using correct driving techniques and training, such as proper observation, anticipation, positioning etc which numpties DO NOT have. It is pointless to compare a Class 1 police driver with a numpty who passed his standard driving test 10 years ago and has had no other training. It's like comparing Arsenal or Man Utd with a Sunday morning pub team.
bobthebench said: Like shit on the sole of your shoe !!
Seriously, wouldn't be prosecuted for speeding itself, expect a more serious charge. Sentence likely to involve prison sentence, 3-12 months, and a very long ban, 2 to 5 years, with a retest at the end.
I ought to add that I'm not saying I agree with this level of punishment - seems damn harsh when compared with punishments handed out for people who commit serious crimes...
loaf said:
because any Plod that drives that fast on four wheels has taken and passed the Police Advanced Driving Certificate, drives to the System of Car Control, and therefore stands a bl00dy good chance of being safer at 140mph that most numpties (who've never heard of SoCC - observation? Wossat?) are at 40mph. Add to that the fact that Plod would never travel that fast unless at least one life was already in danger.
Does that mean that a driver who has had additional training and up to the same level could also have a good excuse?
Thought not, however this is the problem with current speed enforcement in this coutry. The mantra is speed kills with no discretion for the particular circumstances.
In the meantime due to the reduction in traffic police the numpties can drive as badly as they like as long as they stay within the speed limit!
C'mon guys, play fair - I'm not suggesting that Plod should have carte blanche to ignore all the rules whenever they feel like it; I'm saying that on the RARE occasions that they exceed 100mph they are doing so with good reason, in a properly maintained vehicle, with the full backup of their training, and are far less likely to cause problems to other road users at that speed than Joe Feckwit in his ill-maintained sh:tbox with Lax Bowel stickers and a spoiler the size of Suffolk obscuring his rear view.
Very valid point re: lack of traffic cops; but that's what happens when the 'wontsomeonethinkofthechildren' brigade get hold of local and central government, and put more effort into illegally-parked revenue camera vans than training and paying Plod.
>> Edited by loaf on Thursday 5th June 10:15
Very valid point re: lack of traffic cops; but that's what happens when the 'wontsomeonethinkofthechildren' brigade get hold of local and central government, and put more effort into illegally-parked revenue camera vans than training and paying Plod.
>> Edited by loaf on Thursday 5th June 10:15
CarZee said:
Can there be anyone who posts on PH that's never seen that sort of speed on the motorway, even if only for a brief moment?
How can such a sentence be justified?
The problem is that people who post on PH are into cars, and as such, (like myself) do occasionaly get tempted into "excessive speeds", however we are in the minority.... in my office of around 40 people, I'd say that probably 5 are seriously into cars.... that leaves 87.5% who don't feel strongly that "Speed Matters". What really amazed me was that in a serious discussion recently, there were quite a few people who genuinely thought that someone caught doing 150mph should go to jail! Now if the man on the street thinks that, then we're stuffed.
Prison for speeding is completely ridiculous (The fool in the M3 is an exception: already disqualified, no insurance, etc).
Many joyriders who are caught only get community service, if that. Yet somebody tootling along at 140 on a motorway in their own taxed and insured car could get put away? I am
Maybe I should give up working for a living and become a bank robber instead? Probably get a lighter sentence and have less chance of being caught.
(The fool in the M3 is an exception: already disqualified, no insurance, etc). Many joyriders who are caught only get community service, if that. Yet somebody tootling along at 140 on a motorway in their own taxed and insured car could get put away? I am
Maybe I should give up working for a living and become a bank robber instead? Probably get a lighter sentence and have less chance of being caught.
loaf said: C'mon guys, play fair - I'm not suggesting that Plod should have carte blanche to ignore all the rules whenever they feel like it; I'm saying that on the RARE occasions that they exceed 100mph they are doing so with good reason, in a properly maintained vehicle, with the full backup of their training, and are far less likely to cause problems to other road users at that speed than Joe Feckwit in his ill-maintained sh:tbox with Lax Bowel stickers and a spoiler the size of Suffolk obscuring his rear view.
Very valid point re: lack of traffic cops; but that's what happens when the 'wontsomeonethinkofthechildren' brigade get hold of local and central government, and put more effort into illegally-parked revenue camera vans than training and paying Plod.
>> Edited by loaf on Thursday 5th June 10:15
Don't accept your point mate, nobody is safe at 140mph HOWEVER much training they've had.
Ever thought of human error?
lucozade said:
Don't accept your point mate, nobody is safe at 140mph HOWEVER much training they've had.
Ever thought of human error?
Q) So at what speed does driving become safe?
A) It doesn't, even at 0mph there is a chance of killing someone with your engine emissions, or a 10mph by parking on someone's head!
Therefore all cars should be banned and everyone should be wrapped up in bubble warp, until they find out that bubble wrap is inadvertently suffocating 100,000 people a year and gets banned.
There is nothing is 100% safe - even a safe is not 100% safe!
You can only say something is 'safer' than something else. So while I agree 140mph is less safe than 70mph on a motorway, I also state that 140mph on the motorway is safer than 40mph is past a school at leaving time - but which one will get you put in jail/banned/castrated, etc.
loaf said:
bobthebench said: Like shit on the sole of your shoe !!
Seriously, wouldn't be prosecuted for speeding itself, expect a more serious charge. Sentence likely to involve prison sentence, 3-12 months, and a very long ban, 2 to 5 years, with a retest at the end.
I ought to add that I'm not saying I agree with this level of punishment - seems damn harsh when compared with punishments handed out for people who commit serious crimes...
Therein lies a fundamental problem. People simply do not view speeding as a 'real' offence let alone a serious one.
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