Review of Graham watches
Discussion
Looking for an opinion of this watch from someone who own's one.
have read up on the watches and i love the design, but i have never sold one and have no friends with one so wondered if anyone could shed some light on the following things.
1) Quality
2) fit
3) customer service
4) reliability
Cheers in advance
Andrew
have read up on the watches and i love the design, but i have never sold one and have no friends with one so wondered if anyone could shed some light on the following things.
1) Quality
2) fit
3) customer service
4) reliability
Cheers in advance
Andrew
stovey said:
I can tell you that they look utterly hideous and are wildly overpriced.
Naming their monstrorities after George Graham, who they have no connection with, is a travesty.
HTH
Absolutely Naming their monstrorities after George Graham, who they have no connection with, is a travesty.
HTH
They are hideous and hugely overpriced trying to sell on a name they have no connection too. Read their own history, they go on all about George Graham and what he did, make no mention of thier own connection at all. Then in the "about us" section they say that they are actually:-
Graham of London Website said:
The British Masters SA is a private Anglo-Swiss owned firm founded in 1995 by Swiss watchmaking engineer Eric Loth in the Neuchatel canton, Switzerland’s watchmaking heart.
So nothing to do with George Graham or his history at all? Just a bunch of blokes who set up shop 12yrs ago to make hideos watches that would appeal to footballers, rappers and anyone else who believes the hype they are trying to project. As for the picture on the website of the "CEO" sitting in the Elise with a sticker on the door... WTF? Is that meant to make us think they are a special company? Why not have him draped in Russian prostitues or something, its only slightly less classy.
Sorry, but these watch companies who appear selling hugely ugly and expensive pieces trading off old names that they effectively bought the rights to use really get my goat.
HTH
thier value does seem to drop like lead baloons ....
One of the main watch dealers here in singapore was doing a "special discount" during the great singapore sale, they had several hundred watches at around 40% off, mostly last years line watches, but some nice Tag's, Corums, Ladies Chopards etc.
They also had 10 or 12 Grahams .. they had 60% off and did not sell at all. (priced at sub 1k sterling cannot remember exactly)
Even the Chinese taste for big and brash did not shift them ....
One of the main watch dealers here in singapore was doing a "special discount" during the great singapore sale, they had several hundred watches at around 40% off, mostly last years line watches, but some nice Tag's, Corums, Ladies Chopards etc.
They also had 10 or 12 Grahams .. they had 60% off and did not sell at all. (priced at sub 1k sterling cannot remember exactly)
Even the Chinese taste for big and brash did not shift them ....
Have to say fellas, a bit harsh
Not owned one but tried one on.
As a Panerai and all round big watch fan I thought they looked a bit interesting, some of them are very ugly (swordfish) but most are cool if a little over the top.
The watch I tried on (chronofighter) felt much less substantial than the Panerai and the fit and finish felt slightly under par for a £2.5K but nothing I could put my finger on. Still Swiss movement etc etc etc
I understand the cynicism re provenance as a lot of companies recently seem to be appearing claiming to be be part of some long watch making tradition, however lets not forget than Panerai vanished for decades before being resurrected in the 80's/90's. I guess Panerai have first mover advantage in the increasingly fashionable big watch market.
I would still have one but I wonder how robust that plunger mechanism. At £2.5k too expensive but any less and people dont take you seriously
Not owned one but tried one on.
As a Panerai and all round big watch fan I thought they looked a bit interesting, some of them are very ugly (swordfish) but most are cool if a little over the top.
The watch I tried on (chronofighter) felt much less substantial than the Panerai and the fit and finish felt slightly under par for a £2.5K but nothing I could put my finger on. Still Swiss movement etc etc etc
I understand the cynicism re provenance as a lot of companies recently seem to be appearing claiming to be be part of some long watch making tradition, however lets not forget than Panerai vanished for decades before being resurrected in the 80's/90's. I guess Panerai have first mover advantage in the increasingly fashionable big watch market.
I would still have one but I wonder how robust that plunger mechanism. At £2.5k too expensive but any less and people dont take you seriously
Cheers for the advice dbroughton.
Basically just wanted an idea on quality and finish etc.
Guess it isn't really upto par with the top makes.
Must say i had not even heard of them until i got a phone call asking if i wanted one.
Offered an oversize overlord chronofighter mark 2 for £2,000 but will steer clear i think.
Cheers
Basically just wanted an idea on quality and finish etc.
Guess it isn't really upto par with the top makes.
Must say i had not even heard of them until i got a phone call asking if i wanted one.
Offered an oversize overlord chronofighter mark 2 for £2,000 but will steer clear i think.
Cheers
Civpilot said:
stovey said:
I can tell you that they look utterly hideous and are wildly overpriced.
Naming their monstrorities after George Graham, who they have no connection with, is a travesty.
HTH
Absolutely Naming their monstrorities after George Graham, who they have no connection with, is a travesty.
HTH
They are hideous and hugely overpriced trying to sell on a name they have no connection too. Read their own history, they go on all about George Graham and what he did, make no mention of thier own connection at all. Then in the "about us" section they say that they are actually:-
Graham of London Website said:
The British Masters SA is a private Anglo-Swiss owned firm founded in 1995 by Swiss watchmaking engineer Eric Loth in the Neuchatel canton, Switzerland’s watchmaking heart.
So nothing to do with George Graham or his history at all? Just a bunch of blokes who set up shop 12yrs ago to make hideos watches that would appeal to footballers, rappers and anyone else who believes the hype they are trying to project. As for the picture on the website of the "CEO" sitting in the Elise with a sticker on the door... WTF? Is that meant to make us think they are a special company? Why not have him draped in Russian prostitues or something, its only slightly less classy.
Sorry, but these watch companies who appear selling hugely ugly and expensive pieces trading off old names that they effectively bought the rights to use really get my goat.
HTH
Dont let me put you off
If I could get hold of a Chronofighter for about 1500 then I would think about it.
Graham made too much of the history part and would have been better doing a Bell & Ross or Kobold - selling on looks and functionality
I wouldn't worry about service and support. I have only seen Graham in good watch shops so you should be safe. Not sure about movements but they are probably ETA so even if they end up in obscurity, you will always be able to get it fixed and serviced.
Its a matter of taste. if you like it go for it
Dont worry too much about a brand needing to have at least 200 years of history to be worthwhile.
If I could get hold of a Chronofighter for about 1500 then I would think about it.
Graham made too much of the history part and would have been better doing a Bell & Ross or Kobold - selling on looks and functionality
I wouldn't worry about service and support. I have only seen Graham in good watch shops so you should be safe. Not sure about movements but they are probably ETA so even if they end up in obscurity, you will always be able to get it fixed and serviced.
Its a matter of taste. if you like it go for it
Dont worry too much about a brand needing to have at least 200 years of history to be worthwhile.
dbroughton said:
Graham made too much of the history part and would have been better doing a Bell & Ross or Kobold - selling on looks and functionality
I agree, although they are somewhat "overstyled" in most area's. As if their primary concern was to be the biggest no matter what. Also IMHO they are very overpriced, and based on your own comments about quality I think that may not be a bad assesment.dbroughton said:
Dont worry too much about a brand needing to have at least 200 years of history to be worthwhile
Again, I agree.. however this is also exactly where Graham fall down for me (and quite a few others I have spoken to). Yes it's ok to have no history and be a newish watch maker, if your watches are really good they will eventually take off. If you are new to the scene however, don't for one second start implying that you are linked to someone who does have 200yrs history.
For me that just makes me think that the watches need the 'name' as they are not good enough to sell off their own back. I would put money that if they had chosen an unknown 'new' name to sell these watches the prices would have been at least half what they are charging now.
Hey Guys , specially dawson2k5. I was just in Harrods and Selfridges last week looking at these Graham watches , infact they got me intrested last year , but i thought i'll do a bit of research , as i was about to purcahse the rose gold chrono. Thing is taste is personal , but overall the quality of the watch is mediocre , and thus overpriced.It would seem , every one is into watches now adays , spurred on by rappers , stars , actors etc. You can usually acess someone if they know a good watch. But there is so much more to watches then , diamonds and brand I have been into time pieces , for over 30 years , since 7!! and have always been fascinated by the movements , history , etc. Since i got my first Rolex as an 18th birthday present from my dad , i have built up quite a collection , i purchase about 2-3 pieces/year , from Rolex , Cartier , Jacob , Breitling , Muller , IWC , A.Lange&Sohne etc.
The Graham is a relatively new watch company , as is FranckMuller , Roger Dubuis , Panerai etc and more , there seems to be a new brand every time you go to a store nowadays!! Thing is , if you like , you buy ,simple! however i decided not to buy , go for a IWC , or if you looking for that kinda different look , less known piece , try a Ulyses Nardin or Hublot , depending on your budget. For real pieces though , look into Vacheron&Constantin , Breguet etc , the complicated watches , repeaters etc..
The Graham is a relatively new watch company , as is FranckMuller , Roger Dubuis , Panerai etc and more , there seems to be a new brand every time you go to a store nowadays!! Thing is , if you like , you buy ,simple! however i decided not to buy , go for a IWC , or if you looking for that kinda different look , less known piece , try a Ulyses Nardin or Hublot , depending on your budget. For real pieces though , look into Vacheron&Constantin , Breguet etc , the complicated watches , repeaters etc..
I have owned one since six (6) months ago and bot it at Starhill, Kuala Lumpur. When i first saw it, i did like it lot. Eventhough i cant get much of its information and many forum comments seems negative to the look. But i did like it.
I knew it is a VJ7750 modified watch. Overall, the view from the back of its finishing is very great indeed. I have a Omega Board Arrow GMT, Oris Flight Timer, Titoni, Tag and also targeting to get a Panerai black seal.
Till date, this watch is unexpectedly acurate. Initially i have an impression as i cant find any technical information about the watch. Whether it is soft iron protected, what is the anti vibration mechanism, and if according to VJ7750 behaviour, it should be +/- 15 to 20 seconds a day. But it has accuracy as my Omega.
First is, believe me, it catch the eye of girls. Not intentionally but rather got any questions from the girls about the watch.
2nd, Accurate and quiet. (Compare to all my other watches)
3rd, After Sales service is great. I sent it back for service once and highly satisfied.
But of course also to share little disadvantages. The crown, very easy got it activated unaware, they should do it more tighther indeed. Second, the watch should have more technical information rather then emphasize on the RAC and handmade.
Ops, dont mis this, the buckle with leather is very very nice. I am one happy ower of Graham.
I knew it is a VJ7750 modified watch. Overall, the view from the back of its finishing is very great indeed. I have a Omega Board Arrow GMT, Oris Flight Timer, Titoni, Tag and also targeting to get a Panerai black seal.
Till date, this watch is unexpectedly acurate. Initially i have an impression as i cant find any technical information about the watch. Whether it is soft iron protected, what is the anti vibration mechanism, and if according to VJ7750 behaviour, it should be +/- 15 to 20 seconds a day. But it has accuracy as my Omega.
First is, believe me, it catch the eye of girls. Not intentionally but rather got any questions from the girls about the watch.
2nd, Accurate and quiet. (Compare to all my other watches)
3rd, After Sales service is great. I sent it back for service once and highly satisfied.
But of course also to share little disadvantages. The crown, very easy got it activated unaware, they should do it more tighther indeed. Second, the watch should have more technical information rather then emphasize on the RAC and handmade.
Ops, dont mis this, the buckle with leather is very very nice. I am one happy ower of Graham.
I think you are being unfair. Design is a matter of perspective. Just bought a chronofighter oversize and it is absolutely stunning.Sits comfortably on the wrist despite its size-46 MM, and keeps perfect time. Definitely catches the ladies eyes too. You will certainly be the butt of a few jokes, but I think some of them are from pure envy. Fit and finish are as good as any out there (I own several omegas, rolexes and cartiers) and if you think Graham cannot make complicated watches, go look at the King George.
anjur said:
Definitely catches the ladies eyes too. You will certainly be the butt of a few jokes, but I think some of them are from pure envy.
estate123 said:
First is, believe me, it catch the eye of girls. Not intentionally but rather got any questions from the girls about the watch.
Welcome to PH, guys. Do you mean "Catch their eyes" or "put them out"? Edited by glazbagun on Sunday 24th February 00:26
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