RE: PH Heroes: BMW E39 M5

RE: PH Heroes: BMW E39 M5

Wednesday 26th December 2007

PH Heroes: BMW E39 M5

It's a five seater, with a big boot and supercar power. Matt Pallot finds out there is no end to the BMW M5's talents.



When it comes to quick BMW M-cars a lot of people think of the 3-series. The M3 is the young man’s sportscar-slaying hero – as fast as a 911 Carrera but £20k cheaper new, and a BMW to boot. But the M5 is a middle-aged man’s car – fast but a little bit sensible. But if you do your research you realise that an E39 (1998 – 2003) BMW M5 is faster, bigger, rarer and, as a second hand prospect, cheaper to buy than an E46 M3. This is a car that was £60k new but is only worth £16k when six years old.  Executive cars have notoriously bad residuals after about 6-7 years because people who could afford the running costs can afford the new model - so there is no demand. Put simply, the M5 falls into that executive car category, and the M3 does not. Enough about money, what about the car? Well, the BMW M5 has a long history dating back to the early eighties’ M535i. These were the real Q-cars: big saloons with huge engines for their time.  The creation of the Q-car is often a tradition with which Lancia is credited – when it put a Ferrari V8 in a Thema. The concept of the super-saloon really took off in the 1990s, with the awesome 377bhp Lotus Carlton. Then came the E34 M5, which, in its final incarnation, had a 3.8 litre six cylinder engine with 340bhp. In 1998 BMW went the whole hog and put a 5 litre V8, developing a whopping 400hp, into the already sweet-handling E39 5 series. Now the M5 was quicker than contemporary 911 Carreras in a straight line and had crisp, responsive handling, which belied its 1700kg and 4.7m length. The 0-60 dash is quoted at anywhere between 4.8 and 5.2 seconds, and it certainly feels closer to the faster time.

One of the first things you notice about the M5 is the noise it makes. The engine note is a lazy V8 burble which at low revs is reminiscent of the ‘General Lee’ from the Dukes of Hazzard. And when it gets above 3500rpm it turns into a full-on sports car roar. The


handling of the M5 is astonishing for such a big car. When you are having fun on open B-roads the M5 handles like a sports car. There is plenty of feel through the steering wheel, nice responsive turn-in and so much grip that you have really have to be a hooligan to lose the back end. The dynamic stability control (DSC) is brilliant in these circumstances. In the dry, and at speed, all it does is sit there watching over your shoulder for an unexpected tight corner. When that corner comes, as it inevitably does, the DSC quietly saves your life by breaking the relevant wheels and killing the power where necessary, and then it goes back to looking over your shoulder. It makes driving a 400hp rear-wheel drive car a practical proposition for mediocre drivers.

The best thing about the M5 is that it is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It has supercar chasing performance in a package that is discreet and practical. Okay, it does 19 mpg combined but you can easily fit 4 adults and luggage in and drive to France in total comfort. There are a few things to mention about its faults. Firstly, the DSC is intrusive in the wet, and I’m nowhere near a good enough driver to drive at any speed in a 400hp RWD car without


it. Although, to be fair to BMW, I’m sure that’s true of the traction control in all 400hp RWD cars. Next, there is a lot of understeer in tight, slow corners. Again, with a big engine up front and 1700kg following it along, it would be a miracle if this was not the case. You just need to be careful turning-in to mini-roundabouts in the wet. Also, if things go wrong, they are expensive. This is something of a lottery; if a part is from the standard E39 540i, then it isn’t too bad. If it is an M5 part, it is. However, you can’t drive a 100,000 mile super-saloon and expect it to be cheap motoring. Finally, the wolf in sheep’s clothing effect can be annoying. If you like to make a statement by the car you drive, and have schoolboys point and stare at it, the M5 isn’t the car for you. BMW didn’t help this by putting the M5’s valances and spoilers on all E39 5-series with ‘sport packs’ after about 2001. But all this aside the M5 is a staggeringly capable car, and can be all things to all people. Just make sure you afford to run it.

PH Hero Rating: 7.5/10

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mattiselvis

Original Poster:

991 posts

221 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Yep, M5 is a bona-fide hero. I'll have mine in Imola Red please smile.

Edited by mattiselvis on Wednesday 26th December 10:27

Chipchap

2,588 posts

197 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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I have mine in Silverstone. Proper hero car and my TC has not worked since Oct '06 ! 420 BHP & 400Lb-ft in these conditions--Whohooooo


CC

m5basher

2 posts

196 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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M5 Carbon Black - 51 plate mint - Best thing I ever bought, you just cannot stop grinning even after having it several years......Took me 9 months to find the right one....If it was legal I would marry it!

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

226 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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m5basher said:
M5 Carbon Black - 51 plate mint - Best thing I ever bought, you just cannot stop grinning even after having it several years......Took me 9 months to find the right one....If it was legal I would marry it!
Running costs? Daily driver? As you can see from my car, I'm partial to black E39s...

dazren

22,612 posts

261 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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CommanderJameson said:
m5basher said:
M5 Carbon Black - 51 plate mint - Best thing I ever bought, you just cannot stop grinning even after having it several years......Took me 9 months to find the right one....If it was legal I would marry it!
Running costs? Daily driver? As you can see from my car, I'm partial to black E39s...
Commander. I keep a log of my cars running costs. Car is used as a daily driver but only does 7k miles per year (work from home and have use of other cars)

http://www.pistonheads.com/members/showServiceHist...

Ref Carbon black, a mate of mine has just bought a well specced one from a dealer in the midlands, hoping to see it this friday, when I can give him the bad news that anthracite ones are faster... hehe

DAZ
(Note - that seasider bloke really should hurry up and get one before prices start rising!)

Gizmo535

18,150 posts

209 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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m5basher said:
M5 Carbon Black - 51 plate mint - Best thing I ever bought, you just cannot stop grinning even after having it several years......Took me 9 months to find the right one....If it was legal I would marry it!
Mmmmm, nice. Carbon Black looks meaner than a mean thing taking mean lessons from Mean Mike McMean... hehe

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

226 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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dazren said:
CommanderJameson said:
m5basher said:
M5 Carbon Black - 51 plate mint - Best thing I ever bought, you just cannot stop grinning even after having it several years......Took me 9 months to find the right one....If it was legal I would marry it!
Running costs? Daily driver? As you can see from my car, I'm partial to black E39s...
Commander. I keep a log of my cars running costs. Car is used as a daily driver but only does 7k miles per year (work from home and have use of other cars)

http://www.pistonheads.com/members/showServiceHist...

Ref Carbon black a mate of mine has just bought a well specced one from a dealer in the midlands, hoping to see it this friday, when I can give the bad news that anthracite ones are faster... hehe

DAZ
(Note - that seasider bloke really should hurry up and get one before prices start rising!)
It seems like the big expenses are tyres and insurance.

The former is presumably dependent on driving style. The latter - well, I wouldn't presume to guess without doing a proper quote.

And wipers. E39 wipers (Bosch) are twenty sheets a set from Halfords. 33 quid? You're havin' a giraffe!

dazren

22,612 posts

261 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Wipers from Halfords noted. thumbup

I already get the Castrol TWS 10w60 oil from an online German company and save about £5 a litre over the local BMW dealership. Usage on my car is about 1 litre per 2k miles.

http://www.mapodo.de/product_info.php/manufacturer...

Tyres are similarly priced to my Porsche, but you would be correct in your assumption that driving style has a definite effect on wear rate. hehe

eowen

16,699 posts

265 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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I had a 2000 M5 it it certainly ranks up there as one of the best cars I have ever owned. Oxford Green which isnt to everyone's taste, but it was mint. Bought it with 32k on it for £24k (listed at 68k with all the toys), and sold with 45k for £20.5k. Rear tyres tended to go quite quickly, but that was to be extected, and watch for the Vanos units if no warranty. Mine used up (under warranty), Vanos (x2), new rear diff, new drivers door seal, MAF's, rear suspension bushes, and two alloys (due to pitting). All in all I rekon'd with labour, about £11k's worth.

Oh, and it averaged 23mpg in the time I had it - considerably better than the rx8 it replaced!

Edited by eowen on Wednesday 26th December 18:48

CelicaGT

169 posts

215 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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I've never owned or driven one of these gems, but I'm a huge fan. I'd rather have one than a new M5. Its the ultimate four door if you ask me...

eowen

16,699 posts

265 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Am I right in saying the US E60 M5 now has the option of a manual - and it uses the manual out of the E39 M5?

Shame that isnt available here.

Bomber Denton

8,759 posts

268 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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I drove about 500 miles in one surveying masts so a lot of A roads. An utterly brilliant machine that felt a lot smaller to drive than a 5 series.

Really deserves better than 7.5 yes

runt

314 posts

227 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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E39 M5 is the most desirable saloon car I've seen, my E39 530i was wonderful, but always lusted after the M-car.
If I only needed one car, or get richer sooner than I expect to, I'll definitely be sniffing for one, and use it everyday, they're such good value now, every road test team were ecstatic over these cars, they still look pretty and as said, all E39 are so relaxing over distance motoring.
That V-8 is an engineering masterpiece, they may drink a bit of oil but that's not the end of the world. To get to the ton inside 11 secs shows this heavy car has indeed a willing 400 teutonic horses under there.

Paul/runt.

paulie-mafia

3,321 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Still a favourite of mine years after it was unveiled. An example of how things should be..

smile

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Looking at an estate for the family wink I gather there is a similarly high opinion of the Alpina B10 version?

collateral

7,238 posts

218 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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The last one with a proper gearbox! Great shout.

Howitzer

2,835 posts

216 months

Wednesday 26th December 2007
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Fantastic car, just one down from a 500E in the greatness stakes.

Dave!

edcase

219 posts

213 months

Thursday 27th December 2007
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Love mine.

Needs minor mods to make it perfect:

1) AP brakes (std brakes are chocolate)
2) short shift (the gearshift is the weakest link IMHO (not literally weak, you understand)
3) H&S backbox (std car is very very muted, strangling one of the finest sounding v8's ever made)
4) Drifting lessons wink

Without doubt the best car I've ever owned, I just don't know what's going to replace it!

Ed

CelicaGT

169 posts

215 months

Thursday 27th December 2007
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eowen said:
Am I right in saying the US E60 M5 now has the option of a manual - and it uses the manual out of the E39 M5?

Shame that isnt available here.
You are correct, and I've actually seen one in the dealer lot. I'm not sure about the source of the trannie, although that sounds correct. Even with the choice of a proper manual in the E60 M5 I still prefer the overall character of the E39.

Miguel

1,030 posts

265 months

Thursday 27th December 2007
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Bomber Denton said:
I drove about 500 miles in one surveying masts so a lot of A roads. An utterly brilliant machine that felt a lot smaller to drive than a 5 series.

Really deserves better than 7.5 yes
I wholeheartedly agree. I've driven an E39 540i with the manual six-speed gearbox. It's absolutely fantastic--possibly the best all-around car I've ever driven--and would rank far higher than a 7.5/10. The 540i auto is very competent, but a lot of the fun and excitement is lost to the slushbox. I'll guess that the E39 M5 should score an 11+/10. wink

Miguel