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Rod Rammage

2,557 posts

86 months

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B17NNS said:
Start squatting in it I would asume.
And continue to do so for 10 years.

But don't have any mirrors in the house, cos you won't be able to look yourself in the eye.

T_Pot

2,542 posts

83 months

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Gorvid said:
T_Pot said:
Gorvid said:
I don't think "trespass" works like that.
Think it does


In law, trespass can be:

1. the criminal act of going into somebody else's land or property without permission of the owner or lessee;
You go for it then hehe
obviously you missed the bit about "BY owner or lessee", not by internet guy giving an opinion then whistle

tonker

47,145 posts

134 months

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dr.sickman said:
And if some distant rich twit hasn't the time or sense to look after his property, and let it sit in the middle of an otherwise clean street, a magnet for rats and junkies, why not someone responsible do the sensible thing and relieve said twit of his burdensome load?

Claim the rights I say.
or let's say someone has gone into hospital long term and now needs assisted care and is being looked after by a relative - is it right to go squat in their house ?

okgo

23,445 posts

84 months

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tonker said:
dr.sickman said:
And if some distant rich twit hasn't the time or sense to look after his property, and let it sit in the middle of an otherwise clean street, a magnet for rats and junkies, why not someone responsible do the sensible thing and relieve said twit of his burdensome load?

Claim the rights I say.
or let's say someone has gone into hospital long term and now needs assisted care and is being looked after by a relative - is it right to go squat in their house ?
I dont think its right with property,

However a field is a different story hence why we aquired on via this methd

Gorvid

19,892 posts

111 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
T_Pot said:
Gorvid said:
T_Pot said:
Gorvid said:
I don't think "trespass" works like that.
Think it does


In law, trespass can be:

1. the criminal act of going into somebody else's land or property without permission of the owner or lessee;
You go for it then hehe
obviously you missed the bit about "BY owner or lessee", not by internet guy giving an opinion then whistle
I think it says 'OF' not 'BY' smile
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T_Pot

2,542 posts

83 months

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How can it be right with any thing?

Your taking something that you KNOW is not yours, you have no right to it.

Just because the owner doesn't see its use in the same way someone else does, does not give anyone the right to CLAIM it.


Its not hard, if you have not paid for it, its not yours.
I know for a lambo in a show room, that's been there for ages without being used, can i claim that ?

E36GUY

4,326 posts

104 months

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Squatters rights means that a squatter cannot be removed from a premises without a court order unless they leave voluntarily.

What you are talking about is the fact that after a certain period, the squatter can lay claim to the property. A squatter can apply to be registered as owner of registered land only after they have been squatting for 10 years. If this is challenged by the existing owner, or other interested parties such as mortgagees, then the squatter must prove one of the following three:

Circumstances are such that the squatter ought to be registered as proprietor

A “reasonable mistake” about the boundary was made when the squatter occupied the land

The squatter has some other entitlement to be registered as proprietor of the land

However, if the application is dismissed and the legal owner does not take steps to regain possession for a further two years, the squatter (if they have remained in possession) may re-apply to be registered, and in such circumstances they will be automatically registered as the new owner.



So it'll take a while mate!

okgo

23,445 posts

84 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
T_Pot said:
How can it be right with any thing?

Your taking something that you KNOW is not yours, you have no right to it.

Just because the owner doesn't see its use in the same way someone else does, does not give anyone the right to CLAIM it.


Its not hard, if you have not paid for it, its not yours.
I know for a lambo in a show room, that's been there for ages without being used, can i claim that ?
lol your getting mixed up with stealing

Your views flawed.. this field for instance my dad tryed to buy for years and no1 could figure out who it belonged too.. so after about 5 years we put cattle on it.. and seven years later no1 had shown up so it then went into admin stuff and he then owned it..


XJ_Wanty

3,704 posts

134 months

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Hey, watch out all those that think it's wrong. The government is looking at forcing owners who keep their properties empty to rent them out to assist with the 'housing crisis'. Having seen what empty properties can do to parts of Brighton, I'd be all for that.

There's no reason to keep a property empty is there?

bigTee

5,546 posts

107 months

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You need to understand what squatting is.


Squatting is when someone occupies an empty or abandoned property without the owner's permission, often without his knowledge and without any normal legal right to do so.

The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 criminalised squatting.

Genuine squatters cannot be moved without a court order.


Breaking and entry, on the other hand, is not squatting, it is trespassing. If this was not the case someone could break into your house every day and claim to be squatting.

The police have powers to remove trespassers immediately.


If you as an occupier have no ownership documents, no lease or tenancy agreement, no record of having paid rent to a landlord, and no other evidence exists that you have occupancy rights, then you may well be occupying illegally.

It is perhaps of no consolation to landlords that squatters often believe they have a perfect right to occupy when properties are left vacant, especially for long periods.

Even so, the squatter has rights. Squatters cannot be evicted from premises without a court possession order, unless they leave voluntarily or the onwer breaks back in and breaks your legs!!







ewenm

27,006 posts

131 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
XJ_Wanty said:
Hey, watch out all those that think it's wrong. The government is looking at forcing owners who keep their properties empty to rent them out to assist with the 'housing crisis'. Having seen what empty properties can do to parts of Brighton, I'd be all for that.

There's no reason to keep a property empty is there?
Maybe it's not fit for habitation? The owner may have it ready to renovate when funds allow for example.

hornetrider

49,133 posts

91 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
OP asks controversial question in the P+P and then heads for the hills.... scratchchin

dr.sickman

5,006 posts

108 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
tonker said:
dr.sickman said:
And if some distant rich twit hasn't the time or sense to look after his property, and let it sit in the middle of an otherwise clean street, a magnet for rats and junkies, why not someone responsible do the sensible thing and relieve said twit of his burdensome load?

Claim the rights I say.
or let's say someone has gone into hospital long term and now needs assisted care and is being looked after by a relative - is it right to go squat in their house ?
It is right that they, or their relatives, make the feintest effort, as responsible citizens, to at least keep the property secure and in a half-decent order. This could be at little or no financial or physical cost.

If your children played in your garden and the house next door was laden with 'trainspotting' film extras sporting studs and shitting in tesco bags, wouldn't you want to take some measure of control?


XJ_Wanty

3,704 posts

134 months

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ewenm said:
XJ_Wanty said:
There's no reason to keep a property empty is there?
Maybe it's not fit for habitation? The owner may have it ready to renovate when funds allow for example.
Just like the West Pier in Brighton then!


T_Pot

2,542 posts

83 months

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hornetrider said:
OP asks controversial question in the P+P and then heads for the hills.... scratchchin
i was just thinking that lol and we all bit.

tonker

47,145 posts

134 months

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dr.sickman said:
If your children played in your garden and the house next door was laden with 'trainspotting' film extras sporting studs and shitting in tesco bags, wouldn't you want to take some measure of control?
Yesh, but this ain't Daubhill.

This is an empty house, not a heroin infested hovel that's about to fall down. My relatives keep houses in Bolton for when they are over - they are empty the rest of the time - should people be allowed to squat in them just because they are away for several months at a time - what about if I go away for a fortnight, is that long enough to expect some dirty unwashed layabout to have broken in and claimed rights ? What if I nip to the shops ?

It's not theirs, they should eff right off and leave alone.

ExPat2B

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1,382 posts

86 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
On one side of the coin - its somebody elses house, they have paid for it etc.

On the other side :

It is right on the cusp of becoming a squat for someone else, burned out by kids or trashed completely.

If this happens 2 doors up from me, this will be a real pain, devalue my property and be a fire risk to my home. If I dont own it, it nothing that can be done, if the owner cannot be contacted nothing will happen. If you have ever seen how fast a house goes once a certain element become aware of it, or how quickly a house will rot once the windows are smashed and it is no longer watertight, you would not want this happening.

So I am locked into looking after the place. If I do so, can I expect anything in return - after 7 years do I have rights over it ? I am not looking to squat in it, just make sure the house next door is looked after. If we can ever find the owner, be sure that he will be thanking me for doing so.

I had a search done by an proffesional agency I know of that finds people, normally for debt, and they could not find a trace of the owner. Assume they must be an overseas person.


tonker

47,145 posts

134 months

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ExPat2B said:
If I do so, can I expect anything in return - after 7 years do I have rights over it ? I am not looking to squat in it, just make sure the house next door is looked after.
I think that's sort of giving away what you really mean. It's untidy, I am prepared to clean it up, but only if I get something in return (like the house).

rich1231

16,954 posts

146 months

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Friday 4th January 2008 quote quote all
ExPat2B said:
On one side of the coin - its somebody elses house, they have paid for it etc.

On the other side :

It is right on the cusp of becoming a squat for someone else, burned out by kids or trashed completely.

If this happens 2 doors up from me, this will be a real pain, devalue my property and be a fire risk to my home. If I dont own it, it nothing that can be done, if the owner cannot be contacted nothing will happen. If you have ever seen how fast a house goes once a certain element become aware of it, or how quickly a house will rot once the windows are smashed and it is no longer watertight, you would not want this happening.

So I am locked into looking after the place. If I do so, can I expect anything in return - after 7 years do I have rights over it ? I am not looking to squat in it, just make sure the house next door is looked after. If we can ever find the owner, be sure that he will be thanking me for doing so.

I had a search done by an proffesional agency I know of that finds people, normally for debt, and they could not find a trace of the owner. Assume they must be an overseas person.
Feck off.

Morally you have no right to it. It belongs to someone else. If they want it empty then thats up to them.

dr.sickman

5,006 posts

108 months

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tonker said:
dr.sickman said:
If your children played in your garden and the house next door was laden with 'trainspotting' film extras sporting studs and shitting in tesco bags, wouldn't you want to take some measure of control?
Yesh, but this ain't Daubhill.

This is an empty house, not a heroin infested hovel that's about to fall down. My relatives keep houses in Bolton for when they are over - they are empty the rest of the time - should people be allowed to squat in them just because they are away for several months at a time - what about if I go away for a fortnight, is that long enough to expect some dirty unwashed layabout to have broken in and claimed rights ? What if I nip to the shops ?

It's not theirs, they should eff right off and leave alone.
An empty house in Daubhill? Where? Probably awaiting planning permission to be made into marble and gold-plated mosque. laugh

Agree on the transient emptiness thing. Returning from the shops with a three-pask of Gossamer, you shouldn't have to ward off Stella and her mates.

But if you wilfully neglect your property and by that I mean you are fully aware that it is in a disarrayed state and fail to commit resources to put it right) then haven't you failed to keep your side of the bargain as a member of a community?

Edited by dr.sickman on Friday 4th January 13:56

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