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Thursday 14th February 2008

New Arrival

It's time to get some new metal outside PH Towers. But what's it going to be..?



We’ve had some nice cars being delivered to PH Towers recently. The trouble is they tend to get taken back again far too quickly - so I decided it was time to get something a little more permanent. After giving it some thought I decided a VW Golf may do the trick – fast, practical and fun.

The Mark V has been lauded in the motoring press as a return to form for the Golf GTI, bringing back some of the magic of the first two. The Mark III and IV were not so well received, with critics arguing the GTI brand had been watered down somewhat. The problem is (if you can call it a problem) there are two variations of fast Golfs that fit the bill – the GTI and the R32. Both hot Golfs, and in GTI Edition 30 form at least, both similarly powered and priced (£24,845/ 250bhp for the R32, £23,045/ 230bhp for the GTI Edition 30). The trouble is they couldn’t be much different underneath. The R32 packs a 3.2 litre V6 and four-wheel drive thanks to VW’s 4Motion system, while the GTI Edition 30 has 230bhp going through the front wheels. Curiously, despite the R32’s bigger capacity, it only just shades the GTI 30 for torque (236 lbs ft @ 2,800rpm compared to 221 lbs ft at 2,200 rpm). I decided to try both.


The R32 turned up with impeccable timing – it was Friday afternoon – giving me the perfect excuse to get out the office on time. First impressions were good. The R32 is not a flashy car, but this doesn’t mean it doesn’t have presence. Quite the opposite – with its Deep Blue pearl effect paintwork and ‘Omanyt’ 18” alloys it has a subtle aggression. It is a manual and looks classy both inside and out. The interior feels special with leather Recaro seats and turned aluminium inserts in the dashboard.

Turning the key ignites the R32’s party piece, its V6 engine. It sounds awesome, with a bassy thrum at tickover, turning into an angry growl at higher revs, complimented by a metallic rasp. The sound is addictive and makes you want to rev the car hard all the time. But for the sake of your licence, as well as your pocket (I saw 17mpg indicated), this is probably not a good idea. The R32 happily burbles around town but


when you want to it will competently cover ground at a staggering pace. The only problem is the R32 seems a little unsure of what it is meant to be. The 3.2 makes the R32 a great GT but the ride is hard. The all-wheel drive system makes the car heavy, making it not as chuckable as perhaps you would like. It is quick but never as quick as it sounds. There is a lot to like about the R32 though. As a complete package it seems to cover almost every base. It is fast, well made, safe and, in this blue at least, turns heads. And then there is that engine. For less than £25,000 it starts to seem like a bit of a bargain.

As I started to warm to the R32 more and more I was suddenly confronted with a curve ball. A red GTI Edition 30 (again manual) was delivered to the offices. The GTI is almost 200kg lighter than the R32 and as this is the Edition 30, it is almost as powerful. The car celebrates the 30th anniversary of the GTI (yes it really is that long) and so its 2.0 litre TFSI engine gets 30bhp more. This means it will do 0-60mph in 6.8 seconds and 152mph


(6.5secs and 155mph for the R32) and it gets ‘Pescara’ 18” alloys and this one at least came in Tornado Red. It is even more subtle than the R32 but still looks great, the lowered stance making it look more purposeful than the standard car. You miss the sound of the V6 but overall the car doesn’t feel much, if at all, slower once the turbo spools up. There is more feel to the steering and the car feels more agile. The seats, in classic GTI check, are supportive and there is a golf ball gearknob, a nod to GTIs of yesteryear. After driving the GTI for a while, and in the words of ‘our Graham’ from Blind Date, it’s decision time. Hmmm….

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Tony*T3

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So, will there be another installment, or have you copped out completly from telling us which is better, either dynamically od cost effectively?


I suspect the Gti is the better car.

rossp

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Sorry to be picky...

"The means it will do 0-60mph and 152mph (6.5secs and 155mph for the R32)"

What does it do 0-60 in then, oh and I think you mean 'this'? wink


ianrbt

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Are they manuals or D.S.G.?

urban_alchemist

588 posts

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Tony*T3 said:
So, will there be another installment, or have you copped out completly from telling us which is better, either dynamically od cost effectively?


I suspect the Gti is the better car.
One'll be £25/day come October in London biggrin

Na, I jest. I have a MkV GTi (non-Edition30), and think it is a remarkably capable all-rounder, although a bit lacking in soul (looking to change to a new STi).

Haven't driven an R32 though, but even the GTi sometimes feels like a heavy car (especially under braking).

Zebede29

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My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
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urban_alchemist

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Zebede29 said:
My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
If anything, that's an argument to go for the Edition30! The tartan's SO much nicer than the horrid leather VW use on their cars...

Tahiti

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Differing tastes here - I HATE the "tartan"!

Zebede29

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urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
If anything, that's an argument to go for the Edition30! The tartan's SO much nicer than the horrid leather VW use on their cars...
Have you actually felt the leather they fit these days? Its fantastic quality

urban_alchemist

588 posts

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Zebede29 said:
urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
If anything, that's an argument to go for the Edition30! The tartan's SO much nicer than the horrid leather VW use on their cars...
Have you actually felt the leather they fit these days? Its fantastic quality
I haven't since my brother's MkIV Golf - had a horrid shiny-slippery quality to it after a year. Nowhere near BMW/Porsche's leather... Still, even if it was trimmed by DeSede, I'd still go for the tartan - they're my second favourite bit of my GTi - right after the steering wheel.

CocoPops

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My new Ed30 should be ready March 7th, so will be keeping an eye on this, see which way it goes smile

Personally I can't wait for the Ed30, should be fun.

AdamT

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Tough choice, if i had to choose again over a R32 or Gti, i would still go for the R32, more of a special car.

Though slower....


Zebede29

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urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
If anything, that's an argument to go for the Edition30! The tartan's SO much nicer than the horrid leather VW use on their cars...
Have you actually felt the leather they fit these days? Its fantastic quality
I haven't since my brother's MkIV Golf - had a horrid shiny-slippery quality to it after a year. Nowhere near BMW/Porsche's leather... Still, even if it was trimmed by DeSede, I'd still go for the tartan - they're my second favourite bit of my GTi - right after the steering wheel.
Yeah the cropped-bottomed steering wheel is fantastic. I'd always spec the monza II wheels too, ok they are easy to kerb but they make the car - in my humble opinion of course!

As for the leather, well hey - its free and its great quality and comes with heated seats and electric lumbar adjustment - how much more fair can they make it?!

rossp

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I looked at the R32 and GTI when replacing my car last year. Loved the sound of the R32, but preferred the price of the GTI, so I bought a Focus ST! smile

Dr G

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Mine's the ED30 please - although I haven't driven either.

Where do you notice the extra power? I find the regular 2.0 TFSI lacking a little at the top of the rev range, doesn't really will you to gun it.

waynepixel

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I must admit, I have always had a soft spot for the R32, I only which that VW hada a Supercharge option for the car.

urban_alchemist

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Zebede29 said:
urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
urban_alchemist said:
Zebede29 said:
My heart would say R32 (mainly for THAT V6 soundtrack) but my head would opt for a non-Ed30 GTI - epecially now that VW are throwing in free full leather as standard from this week on any factory-ordered GTI!! Fit it with Monza II's and Dynaudio sound system and you have a cracking result.
If anything, that's an argument to go for the Edition30! The tartan's SO much nicer than the horrid leather VW use on their cars...
Have you actually felt the leather they fit these days? Its fantastic quality
I haven't since my brother's MkIV Golf - had a horrid shiny-slippery quality to it after a year. Nowhere near BMW/Porsche's leather... Still, even if it was trimmed by DeSede, I'd still go for the tartan - they're my second favourite bit of my GTi - right after the steering wheel.
Yeah the cropped-bottomed steering wheel is fantastic. I'd always spec the monza II wheels too, ok they are easy to kerb but they make the car - in my humble opinion of course!

As for the leather, well hey - its free and its great quality and comes with heated seats and electric lumbar adjustment - how much more fair can they make it?!
Don't have the Monza IIs - bought the car unregistered but from the shop floor... beggars can't be choosers smile

rasbryriple

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I've had a White Ed30 DSG almost a year, had it on 8 track days, its booked in at AMD for an ECU remap, Milltek pipes, brembo disks/callipers and anti roll bars. Should be good for around 275 bhp. The Gti - its a no brainer (in white).

Alfa Papa

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I have the non-Ed 30 Golf GTI. Can anyone tell me where the Ed 30 really trumps the standard GTI? Obviously we can all look at the performance figures but what about in the flesh? Call me picky, but I have never warmed to the R32's grille and I am sorry but 25k+ for a Golf is a little extreme. GTI it has to be!

rasbryriple

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I had a standard Gti for 2 years before the Edition 30, Ive found the turbo kicks in later on th Ed30 @2200rpm, it was around 1800, but pulls better. Had them both on the track the Ed30 has lapped Donnington 2 secs quicker, apart from that, just rear lights nicked of the R32 and painted lower body parts really, although I did need theropy after 2 years looking after with those 18" Monzas.

rknevitt

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I had the R32 for about a year, i tested the GTI and R32 back to back before i brought the R32.

Although a great car, and i loved the sound and the grip, and the dials , i cant help but think the GTI would have been the better buy

Rob
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