RE: Porsche Set To Buy Control Of VW
RE: Porsche Set To Buy Control Of VW
Tuesday 4th March 2008

Porsche Set To Buy Control Of VW

Porsche has set the car industry alight with plans to buy a controlling stake in VW.


Insert 'just a VW Beetle' joke here...
Insert 'just a VW Beetle' joke here...
It will give the prestigious car maker access to diesel engines and more sourced components - VW currently supplies around a third of Porsche parts.

The move coincides with VW buying a controlling stake in Swedish truck maker Scania which in turn now gives Porsche huge control over the European car industry.

But Porsche says it is not planning to merge with Volkswagen.

The firm's chief executive Wendelin Wiedeking said: "Our aim is to create one of the strongest and most innovative automobile alliances in the world, which is able to measure up to the increased international competition."

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PhantomPH

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4,043 posts

255 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Silly question - does that split VW from Audi or will Porsche actually have a controlling stake in VAG - so VW, Audi, Lambo...??

willdew

2,138 posts

294 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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PhantomPH said:
Silly question - does that split VW from Audi or will Porsche actually have a controlling stake in VAG - so VW, Audi, Lambo...??
Controlling stake in VAG

Edited by willdew on Tuesday 4th March 11:24

Mike400

1,026 posts

261 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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"The move coincides with VW buying a controlling stake in Swedish truck maker Scania"

Thats the new diesel engine for the cayenne sorted!

TotalControl

8,307 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Thats a huge amount of control that they'll have if this goes through. Theres an unbelievable amount of manufacturers that fall under the VAG group.

Dave D

696 posts

283 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Wave goodbye to a superior piece of engineering. cry


BSC

341 posts

312 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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It's as simple as this: when Mr Piech - grandson of Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of Porsche - was CEO of Volkswagen VW had to develop and supply Porsche with the Cayenne body as well as other components. VW made a loss on this deal and the shares' value went down. Porsche on the other hand made huge money which was used to buy the now cheap VW shares.

Porsche dictates the prices they pay on components as Mr Piech, who's family owns the majority of Porsche, is chairman of the supervisory board at VW and the CEO of VW has to do what Mr Piech wnats otherwise the CEO will be fired.

Brink

1,505 posts

238 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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BSC said:
It's as simple as this: when Mr Piech - grandson of Ferdinand Porsche, the founder of Porsche - was CEO of Volkswagen VW had to develop and supply Porsche with the Cayenne body as well as other components. VW made a loss on this deal and the shares' value went down. Porsche on the other hand made huge money which was used to buy the now cheap VW shares.

Porsche dictates the prices they pay on components as Mr Piech, who's family owns the majority of Porsche, is chairman of the supervisory board at VW and the CEO of VW has to do what Mr Piech wnats otherwise the CEO will be fired.
In other words: incest!

[AJ]

3,079 posts

228 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Dave D said:
Wave goodbye to a superior piece of engineering. cry

No, just expect the 998 to be even better!

mx-tro

290 posts

250 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Hopefully this will give Porsche the clout of the single largest car manufacturer in Europe, thus adding more weight to their challenge of the London Congestion Charge CO2 penalty.

Malcolm

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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BSC said:
It's as simple as this...
disagree
cayenne is basicly a toerag so the cayenne chassis development costs were absorbed in the bigger program... the cost of this development is tiny compared to VAG's turnover so not material in porsche's takeover. vw's share price was held back by the vw rule. porsche got this overturned through the eu comp commission last year, but not before they had bought a tonne of calls on vw, locking in their previous cheap price. porsche were only able to do this by selling lots of extremely profitable cars in the first place. with impending euro cafe rules they had to do it.

waynepixel

3,978 posts

254 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Will this mean that maybe one day, VW might have the balls and make a rear wheel drive hot hatch, with say 350-bhp.

bcnrml

2,107 posts

240 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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mx-tro said:
Hopefully this will give Porsche the clout of the single largest car manufacturer in Europe, thus adding more weight to their challenge of the London Congestion Charge CO2 penalty.

Malcolm
Unlikely.

See the latest innovations at the Geneva motor show, and compare Porsche's offering with that of its competitors.

Why do you think size automatically equates to clout in this instance?

Crow555

1,037 posts

224 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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So now I can put Porsche badges and Alloys on my Polo? Sweet! biggrin

flashygee

127 posts

241 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Porsche controls VW.
Thats much better as when VW is controlled by Companies
from Russia,India,China or Saudi Arabia.

mx-tro

290 posts

250 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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bcnrml said:
mx-tro said:
Hopefully this will give Porsche the clout of the single largest car manufacturer in Europe, thus adding more weight to their challenge of the London Congestion Charge CO2 penalty.

Malcolm
Unlikely.

See the latest innovations at the Geneva motor show, and compare Porsche's offering with that of its competitors.

Why do you think size automatically equates to clout in this instance?
In terms of market capitialisation, Porsche VAG is now the biggest European car manufacturer.

What we are now seeing is a move from regional car manufacturer to global automotive empire, comparable to Ford, Toyota etc. In what sense do you think that they won't have "clout"?

Dilligaf10

2,431 posts

240 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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waynepixel said:
Will this mean that maybe one day, VW might have the balls and make a rear wheel drive hot hatch, with say 350-bhp.
No but I hear There is a FWD Porsche GTi on the way!! hehe

Bodo

12,601 posts

296 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Interesting, as this will make BMW the small independent fecker in Germany. Wonder if they manage to achieve the highest margin per single car sold, and then buy a controlling stake in Daimler scratchchin

oagent

2,266 posts

273 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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Seat and Skoda worked really well. Its a shame no one can persuade Porsche VAG to buy Jag and Landrover. The next freelander could be another cayene/torag clone and they could knock out golfs/passats/phaetons with jag badges all day long. That way some manufacturing could stay in this country, just like they did with Skoda and Seat.

zagato

1,136 posts

231 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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waynepixel said:
Will this mean that maybe one day, VW might have the balls and make a rear wheel drive hot hatch, with say 350-bhp.
No, you'll get a porsche badge on a diesel hatch with a silly markup.

odyssey2200

18,650 posts

239 months

Tuesday 4th March 2008
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[AJ] said:
Dave D said:
Wave goodbye to a superior piece of engineering. cry

No, just expect the 998 to be even better!
Maybe Porsche will just profit from which ever car you buy.

Why spend a fortune further developing a flawed concept to keep up with a competitor when you can just buy 51% of the competitor and have your cake and eat it,

:incoming:

getmecoat