Drop in a small block V8?
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Perfect - Love Tam's Tiny / Great chassis and itching for the PHAT V8.
If I did not have so much on and had a bit of spare cash I'd have that and do it - Bugger.
Have to keep my eye out in a year two. ECU tuned LS2 (about 450bhp) is the way to go;) Bloweing it would be stupid before anyone mentions it......
If I did not have so much on and had a bit of spare cash I'd have that and do it - Bugger.
Have to keep my eye out in a year two. ECU tuned LS2 (about 450bhp) is the way to go;) Bloweing it would be stupid before anyone mentions it......
Edited by jellison on Wednesday 7th May 21:25
This is just what i am looking for...next year!...Think the price tag is way too high though?
2004 low mileage go for around £18-20k private.
Cat C lowers this to say £12-15k (30% ish devaluation)
New/replacement engine from £5000 ?
Respray and bodywork £5000 ?
Other engine bay repairs £1000 ?
Purchase £8850
Total £19850. And that excludes a lot of labour. Hmmm Dont think so!
Without the bodywork damage and need for a respray I would buy that tomorrow. Bugger.
2004 low mileage go for around £18-20k private.
Cat C lowers this to say £12-15k (30% ish devaluation)
New/replacement engine from £5000 ?
Respray and bodywork £5000 ?
Other engine bay repairs £1000 ?
Purchase £8850
Total £19850. And that excludes a lot of labour. Hmmm Dont think so!
Without the bodywork damage and need for a respray I would buy that tomorrow. Bugger.
Chimjunkie said:
This is just what i am looking for...next year!...Think the price tag is way too high though?
2004 low mileage go for around £18-20k private.
Cat C lowers this to say £12-15k (30% ish devaluation)
New/replacement engine from £5000 ?
Respray and bodywork £5000 ?
Other engine bay repairs £1000 ?
Purchase £8850
Total £19850. And that excludes a lot of labour. Hmmm Dont think so!
Without the bodywork damage and need for a respray I would buy that tomorrow. Bugger.
Just what i thought,£4k and it would be in my garage awaiting a V8 2004 low mileage go for around £18-20k private.
Cat C lowers this to say £12-15k (30% ish devaluation)
New/replacement engine from £5000 ?
Respray and bodywork £5000 ?
Other engine bay repairs £1000 ?
Purchase £8850
Total £19850. And that excludes a lot of labour. Hmmm Dont think so!
Without the bodywork damage and need for a respray I would buy that tomorrow. Bugger.
thatis next to no paint damage - a grand would cover that - just a bonnet and few minor bits. The engine will be fine - sell it once teh LS goes in (just the induction gear melted) - SBC - don't be DAFT. If I had the time. Mind and LS swap is not as cheap as you think - but it would smoke any road TVR with a mildly tuned 2 in it (and most of the TCR Race series Grid, for fun at weekends).
Quinny said:
Yeah, don't be daft SBC
It's got to be an LS2, cos Jellison says its the best option
The fact that, if the chassis is similar to a Tuscan, an SBC will fit without chopping the chassis, some one has already done a very nice conversion on a Tuscan, an SBC is cheaper, and can be made to produce more than enough power should have nothing to do with your decision.
The chassis is identical to the Tuscan and the T350. And other than the suspension pick up points, the Sagaris.It's got to be an LS2, cos Jellison says its the best option
The fact that, if the chassis is similar to a Tuscan, an SBC will fit without chopping the chassis, some one has already done a very nice conversion on a Tuscan, an SBC is cheaper, and can be made to produce more than enough power should have nothing to do with your decision.
Quinny said:
Yeah, don't be daft SBC
It's got to be an LS2, cos Jellison says its the best option
The fact that, if the chassis is similar to a Tuscan, an SBC will fit without chopping the chassis, some one has already done a very nice conversion on a Tuscan, an SBC is cheaper, and can be made to produce more than enough power should have nothing to do with your decision.
Do me a favour - the engine are about the same cost and LS2 5 years more advanced technology and do not get me started on the Tuscan with the SBC (you do not see the racers dropping in SBC's on carbs. + Yes the Tuscan install looks shiney but it is about 10" to far forward and made of Iron - I could go one. It's got to be an LS2, cos Jellison says its the best option
The fact that, if the chassis is similar to a Tuscan, an SBC will fit without chopping the chassis, some one has already done a very nice conversion on a Tuscan, an SBC is cheaper, and can be made to produce more than enough power should have nothing to do with your decision.
But to be frank no one care what I think. When you have done one (you can have an opinion).
Why did I bother coming back to the TVR section!
Quinny said:
Thats it then.
An SBC will fit in, in just the same way that Speed 8 fitted one in his Tuscan. As anyone who read his thread knows, his conversion required no cutting, & chopping and looked really neat.
Why do all the development work again, when its already been done for you.
So maybe the SBC route, ain't so daft after all eh??
I might have to send you a PM explaining why it is STUPID (in detail).An SBC will fit in, in just the same way that Speed 8 fitted one in his Tuscan. As anyone who read his thread knows, his conversion required no cutting, & chopping and looked really neat.
Why do all the development work again, when its already been done for you.
So maybe the SBC route, ain't so daft after all eh??
Quinny said:
An SBC will fit in, in just the same way that Speed 8 fitted one in his Tuscan. As anyone who read his thread knows, his conversion required no cutting, & chopping and looked really neat.
Why do all the development work again, when its already been done for you.
So maybe the SBC route, ain't so daft after all eh??
The first conversion was fine but due to various reasons, mainly going from very big bhp to very, very big bhp S8 has now cut his chassis.Why do all the development work again, when its already been done for you.
So maybe the SBC route, ain't so daft after all eh??
Well its best not to get to much into this topic but here goes:
The biggest difference between the 1st gen sbc and the LS1 (should really be called an sbgm) in terms of weight is the engine block.
Aluminium LS engine block is approx 87lbs so ~40kg
An gen1 sbc engine block +180lb so +80kg
Most components then weigh similar amounts steel cranks/con rods alumininum pistons/heads, flywheels etc So perhaps +50kg more weight at the front of the car vs an LS.
But ask yourselves how much does a Speed6 engine weigh, according to Speed Eight his tuscan is slighter with the sbc is lighter than with the speed6.
So even though the sbcs are heavier than LSs they are still likely to be the same weight as the Speed 6 or lighter and so shouldn't have to too much effect on the chassis as long the the centre of gravity is in the same place.
The above doesn't mean that I would get an SBC, I just don't think the main reasons for deriding the engine are wrong. Personally I much prefer the stroked ls3 boosted is going to make for me (shouldn't be too much longer now...)
The biggest difference between the 1st gen sbc and the LS1 (should really be called an sbgm) in terms of weight is the engine block.
Aluminium LS engine block is approx 87lbs so ~40kg
An gen1 sbc engine block +180lb so +80kg
Most components then weigh similar amounts steel cranks/con rods alumininum pistons/heads, flywheels etc So perhaps +50kg more weight at the front of the car vs an LS.
But ask yourselves how much does a Speed6 engine weigh, according to Speed Eight his tuscan is slighter with the sbc is lighter than with the speed6.
So even though the sbcs are heavier than LSs they are still likely to be the same weight as the Speed 6 or lighter and so shouldn't have to too much effect on the chassis as long the the centre of gravity is in the same place.
The above doesn't mean that I would get an SBC, I just don't think the main reasons for deriding the engine are wrong. Personally I much prefer the stroked ls3 boosted is going to make for me (shouldn't be too much longer now...)
eLSerbera said:
Well its best not to get to much into this topic but here goes:
The biggest difference between the 1st gen sbc and the LS1 (should really be called an sbgm) in terms of weight is the engine block.
Aluminium LS engine block is approx 87lbs so ~40kg
An gen1 sbc engine block +180lb so +80kg
Most components then weigh similar amounts steel cranks/con rods alumininum pistons/heads, flywheels etc So perhaps +50kg more weight at the front of the car vs an LS.
But ask yourselves how much does a Speed6 engine weigh, according to Speed Eight his tuscan is slighter with the sbc is lighter than with the speed6.
So even though the sbcs are heavier than LSs they are still likely to be the same weight as the Speed 6 or lighter and so shouldn't have to too much effect on the chassis as long the the centre of gravity is in the same place.
The above doesn't mean that I would get an SBC, I just don't think the main reasons for deriding the engine are wrong. Personally I much prefer the stroked ls3 boosted is going to make for me (shouldn't be too much longer now...)
Well said - if I'd said it though I would have just got a slating though!The biggest difference between the 1st gen sbc and the LS1 (should really be called an sbgm) in terms of weight is the engine block.
Aluminium LS engine block is approx 87lbs so ~40kg
An gen1 sbc engine block +180lb so +80kg
Most components then weigh similar amounts steel cranks/con rods alumininum pistons/heads, flywheels etc So perhaps +50kg more weight at the front of the car vs an LS.
But ask yourselves how much does a Speed6 engine weigh, according to Speed Eight his tuscan is slighter with the sbc is lighter than with the speed6.
So even though the sbcs are heavier than LSs they are still likely to be the same weight as the Speed 6 or lighter and so shouldn't have to too much effect on the chassis as long the the centre of gravity is in the same place.
The above doesn't mean that I would get an SBC, I just don't think the main reasons for deriding the engine are wrong. Personally I much prefer the stroked ls3 boosted is going to make for me (shouldn't be too much longer now...)
I should be alittle clearer ...
The point I was trying to put across was that wouldn't get an SBC if I could fit an LS in my engine bay, luckily I know I can.
The gen1 sbcs are heavier than the LS engines by some 50 kgs and on all accounts they can be difficult to get decent (400+bhp) power from, those are good reasons to dismiss the SBC vs an LS, but (and here I mis-spoke) compared to the speed6 engine I would take an SBC over a Speed6.
For the Tamora I would ask how much space is between the chassis rails that the engine sits between.
Compare this number to the measurements Ffirg 005 made of his Cerbera chassis, if they are the same you have an easy answer: LS engine all the way.
The point I was trying to put across was that wouldn't get an SBC if I could fit an LS in my engine bay, luckily I know I can.
The gen1 sbcs are heavier than the LS engines by some 50 kgs and on all accounts they can be difficult to get decent (400+bhp) power from, those are good reasons to dismiss the SBC vs an LS, but (and here I mis-spoke) compared to the speed6 engine I would take an SBC over a Speed6.
For the Tamora I would ask how much space is between the chassis rails that the engine sits between.
Compare this number to the measurements Ffirg 005 made of his Cerbera chassis, if they are the same you have an easy answer: LS engine all the way.
Have fully measure Whitey's Tuscan rails are a tad further apart than a Chim / Griff and it fits in that! Tam chassis is the same as a Tuscan as far as the basic spaceframe is concerned.
I could do the lot (for myself for a tad over 20k and have one of the fastest TVR on the rood in the UK - It would destroy virtually everything on the road) cost a lot more if you had to have someone else do it ALL for you though;)
I could do the lot (for myself for a tad over 20k and have one of the fastest TVR on the rood in the UK - It would destroy virtually everything on the road) cost a lot more if you had to have someone else do it ALL for you though;)
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