RE: MINI John Cooper Works

RE: MINI John Cooper Works

Wednesday 16th July 2008

MINI John Cooper Works

Can the new MINI Cooper JCW really be worth £21K? Ollie Stallwood drives it...



At £21,000 you have to wonder whether Charlie Croker would bother splashing out on three John Cooper Works BMW MINIs were he to plan the Italian Job today. But to look at the price of the new top-of-the-range MINI rationally has now become rather pointless. This little hatchback seems to now sit in a category of its own, making you rethink the very meaning of value for money.


They sell like hot cakes though and it’s likely there will be a long line of buyers for this new 208bhp JCW. So what do you get for almost five grand over a standard Cooper S? Even more fun is the simple answer.

It is clear that the MINI chassis was capable of taking 45bhp more and the result is a seriously quick car. I’ve come to Donington for the launch in a standard Cooper S, which feels quick and darty, but the JCW makes it feel a little soft.

BMW has now got its hands on the John Cooper Works brand and openly admits that it wants those three letters to have the same meaning in MINI world as the letter ‘M’ does on the back of BMWs. The JCW has a modified air intake and breathes more easily than a Cooper S, giving you more immediate grunt.


The pistons have been strengthened, the cylinder head is larger and the valves have also been beefed-up. The turbocharger has been strengthened also with an increase in boost from 0.9 to 1.3bar. There is hardly any lag and once the turbo is spooled up there is noticeably more thrust than in the S.

With the windows down you notice the perfectly engineered ‘snap, crackle and pop’, as the MINI representatives put it. Top speed is now 148mph and 0-62mph is a claimed 6.5 seconds which, when you’re in a small car like this, feels fast enough.

The suspension is the same as the standard Cooper S – although a JCW sports suspension can be specced for an extra £140 - but the power rarely overwhelms it. You get the same quality steering feel as in the S which can be a touch heavy on motorways but is perfectly weighted for a cross-country blast.


The car stays flat in the bends and unless you enter one far too quickly the chassis is pretty much unflappable, with bags of grip and gentle understeer on the limit. The only downside perhaps is that the JCW loses the optional mechanical Limited Slip Differential in favour of a trick ‘electronic LSD’.

This replicates the mechanical version by braking a spinning front wheel but somehow just doesn’t feel as effective as the more simple but frankly excellent traditional LSD. MINI says that the mechanical version would have created too much torque steer, something that the JCW does still have in small doses. On bumpy B roads you’ll notice the wheel tugging from left to right as the camber changes.

There are also three settings to the traction/stability control system which we were able to try in the wet and the dry. The first setting has Dynamic Traction Control and Dynamic Stability Control, and the second is a slightly less nannying DTC-only. There’s no doubt that the systems would work well keeping someone who’s idea of having fun in their JCW is taking their friends for lunch on the King’s Road out of a ditch, but for the rest of us they are simply frustrating.


The car is so responsive and controllable that good throttle control and quick reactions are all you need to keep it on the black stuff, and it’s a lot more rewarding and no doubt quicker too. Often the system works simply by cutting the power so you are left coasting, foot flat to the floor, waiting for the turbocharged 1.6 to start working again.

Externally the JCW has been treated to exclusive 17” lightweight Challenge-style alloys and a unique bodykit. It looks good, if you like MINIs, and has a meaner look to the S. Inside it’s…well, it’s pretty much standard S. Even the seats are the same, with buckets being a costly option. It’s all good quality though and once you are on the move you spend more time looking through the odd upright screen than you do at the seat upholstery.


At £4,750 over the S you have to wonder whether what you are getting is enough. It’s a fantastic car to take for a thrash and has genuine giant-killing qualities but you’d have to be really, really into MINIs to spend Golf GTI Edition 30 money on one, which is bigger, has more power and more kit. But for some reason on its own the JCW seems worth it, and in a way such comparisons are frivolous. All I know is for this kind of money I’d definitely think twice about pushing one out of the back of a coach…

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Discussion

Pork you

Original Poster:

34 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.

the_hood

771 posts

194 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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I'm sure it's great drive and if i could afford a 3-4 garage i might be tempted, but in the real world it's just to expensive.

timbob

2,104 posts

252 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Is that £21k specced up?

I know that you can spend well in excess of £20k on a normal Cooper S once you've specced all the "essentials".... So in all reality, given all the things you'll need to spec to avoid it being difficult to sell on, you're probably looking at a £25k+ Mini. Erk.

Millionair

77 posts

189 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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looks quality woohoo

RobFerrari

793 posts

204 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Looks great, but that price is a complete joke. Sure can tell BMW have got their hands on things rolleyes

woof

8,456 posts

277 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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mmmh 21k - that's quite a bit cheaper than what my JCW cost 3 years ago !


Baffled Spoon

5,250 posts

194 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Pork you said:
21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.
yes Much rather import an FD2 CTR for that kind of money.

Wacky Racer

38,154 posts

247 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Mrs WR has just bought a new Cooper "S" with full chilli pack, loads of extras, came to just over 21k....we did consider a JCW but this one is quite fast enough thank you.......biggrin

GingerWizard

4,721 posts

198 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Baffled Spoon said:
Pork you said:
21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.
yes Much rather import an FD2 CTR for that kind of money.
+1

ross_stig

35,068 posts

212 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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RobFerrari said:
Looks great, but that price is a complete joke. Sure can tell BMW have got their hands on things rolleyes
with BMW you don't just pay for performance, you pay for general build quality too. i also have a 1982 3 series which still doesn't miss a beat and everything just still works on it. i would rather pay a couple of k more knowing it's built well, then save a few pennies and a few years down the line find yourself having to replace a few things here and there. but i still think it's expensive for a mini eek

Antj

1,047 posts

200 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Yeah but its no GP is it.

Failed to mention in review it comes with larger 4-pot brakes and larger rear discs as standard.

zagato

1,136 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Have they put proper steering on them yet?

okgo

38,030 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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They will and are still going to sell regardless of the higher price.

You can spec a mini cooper s north of 30k if you add loads of bits..

They are in their own market though it seems so I am sure that it wont be too bad.

Has the same steering as before irrc.

DamoLLb

1,775 posts

195 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Hardly inline with the 'M' Brand, except in price!

Assmask

33 posts

190 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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GingerWizard said:
Baffled Spoon said:
Pork you said:
21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.
yes Much rather import an FD2 CTR for that kind of money.
+1
+2

okgo

38,030 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Assmask said:
GingerWizard said:
Baffled Spoon said:
Pork you said:
21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.
yes Much rather import an FD2 CTR for that kind of money.
+1
+2
Totally different, you coudl turn up in the mini anywhere, its classless.

Those plastic looking hondas on the other hand would make you look a bit barry to most eyes.

Mutt

1,115 posts

191 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Assmask said:
GingerWizard said:
Baffled Spoon said:
Pork you said:
21k?

I'll import something Japanese that's faster and better.
yes Much rather import an FD2 CTR for that kind of money.
+1
+2
Not quite as classless as the Mini though. You couldn't really rock up on your lunch date in Chelsea in one of those. Good car, probably. Classless car, no.

Pistonheads - Ladies Who Lunch

okgo

38,030 posts

198 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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How strange we posted the same thing hehe

matt21

4,288 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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i like but decided against one due to costs redface

Dagnut

3,515 posts

193 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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New air intake, 6 pot brakes, ECU remap, would cost no where near 5k..seems like a rip off