Riding a Scooter under 50cc without L Plates?

[Magog]

Ok a quick question as regards the rules about L plates and Scooters. Can you ride a scooter/moped of less than 50cc capicity without L Plates if you have a valid CBT, and full car license but passed your test after 1 February 2001? I found the information here but it seems a little ambiguous on this matter;

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...

Thanks for your responses in advance.

[vonhosen]

Yep you can ride a moped without L plates in those circs.

Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 5th November 23:50

[Magog]

vonhosen said:

Yep you can ride a moped without L plates in those circs.

Edited by vonhosen on Wednesday 5th November 23:50

Ok, cheers for that, put my mind at ease, thanks.

[blueyes]

Von, can you clarify one point please?

If you are 16 and want to ride a moped or scooter on the road you must have completed a compulsory basic training course to validate your provisional licence.
What is a moped?
A moped is a motorcycle that has the following features:

maximum design speed not exceeding 50 kilometres per hour (km/h) (about 31 miles per hour (mph)
an engine capacity no greater than 50 cc
it can be moved by pedals, if the moped was first used before 1 September 1977

If you have a car licence...
If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).



Does it HAVE to have pedals?

My friend has a pre-2001 full driving licence (no bike licence though) but wants to use a 1960's 50cc Vespa on the road.

Will he have to fit L plates?
Will he have to the CBT?


Thanks.

[Ean218]

Direct gov seems to be murkying the waters by referring to scooters which are not actually any type of vehicle for the purposes of driver licensing purposes.

If a 50cc scooter was made in the '60s, doesn't have pedals and exceeds the current minimum design speed for mopeds then it is a motorcycle.

[Nigel Worc's]

Ean218 said:

Direct gov seems to be murkying the waters by referring to scooters which are not actually any type of vehicle for the purposes of driver licensing purposes.

If a 50cc scooter was made in the '60s, doesn't have pedals and exceeds the current minimum design speed for mopeds then it is a motorcycle.

Almost correct....I think.

To be a moped before 1978 (I think) it had to be capable of being moved by pedals, after 1978 it could have footrests providing its output was restricted.

Even in 1977, when I had my moped, my Honda SS50 was a moped and could be ridden at 16, but the Honda C50 was a motorcycle, and you'd have needed to be 17.

[blueyes]

Nigel Worc's said:

Ean218 said:

Direct gov seems to be murkying the waters by referring to scooters which are not actually any type of vehicle for the purposes of driver licensing purposes.

If a 50cc scooter was made in the '60s, doesn't have pedals and exceeds the current minimum design speed for mopeds then it is a motorcycle.

Almost correct....I think.

To be a moped before 1978 (I think) it had to be capable of being moved by pedals, after 1978 it could have footrests providing its output was restricted.

Even in 1977, when I had my moped, my Honda SS50 was a moped and could be ridden at 16, but the Honda C50 was a motorcycle, and you'd have needed to be 17.

So can anybody confirm this either way please?

[herewego]

blueyes said:

Nigel Worc's said:

Ean218 said:

Direct gov seems to be murkying the waters by referring to scooters which are not actually any type of vehicle for the purposes of driver licensing purposes.

If a 50cc scooter was made in the '60s, doesn't have pedals and exceeds the current minimum design speed for mopeds then it is a motorcycle.

Almost correct....I think.

To be a moped before 1978 (I think) it had to be capable of being moved by pedals, after 1978 it could have footrests providing its output was restricted.

Even in 1977, when I had my moped, my Honda SS50 was a moped and could be ridden at 16, but the Honda C50 was a motorcycle, and you'd have needed to be 17.

So can anybody confirm this either way please?

Acc. to:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...

What is a moped?
A moped is a motorcycle that has the following features:

maximum design speed not exceeding 50 kilometres per hour (km/h) (about 31 miles per hour (mph)
an engine capacity no greater than 50 cc
it can be moved by pedals, if the moped was first used before 1 September 1977

[Tyre Smoke]

herewego said:

blueyes said:

Nigel Worc's said:

Ean218 said:

Direct gov seems to be murkying the waters by referring to scooters which are not actually any type of vehicle for the purposes of driver licensing purposes.

If a 50cc scooter was made in the '60s, doesn't have pedals and exceeds the current minimum design speed for mopeds then it is a motorcycle.

Almost correct....I think.

To be a moped before 1978 (I think) it had to be capable of being moved by pedals, after 1978 it could have footrests providing its output was restricted.

Even in 1977, when I had my moped, my Honda SS50 was a moped and could be ridden at 16, but the Honda C50 was a motorcycle, and you'd have needed to be 17.

So can anybody confirm this either way please?

Acc. to:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNew...

What is a moped?
A moped is a motorcycle that has the following features:

maximum design speed not exceeding 50 kilometres per hour (km/h) (about 31 miles per hour (mph)
an engine capacity no greater than 50 cc
it can be moved by pedals, if the moped was first used before 1 September 1977

Exactly, the old Yam FS1E had pedals and was unrestricted - moped My RD50 had footrests and was restricted to 50km/h (honest ) - moped. Both legal to ride at 16. Would think the 60's Vespa is a motorcycle if it has no pedals fitted, so bike licence and 17y.o. to ride.