How many Diablos are there, in the UK
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at LCUK.Intrepid_21 said:
Come on XXVII.
Thats XXVIII if you don't mind and there are actually only 7 Diablos in the UK.They all rush around all over the place as fast as they can whilst having numerous colour changes every few days and having their exhausts and headlight systems changed at the same time.
Like Snow White's little friends, they snort gold dust but only when she's not looking and they may then feel that they see Diablos rather more than they actually do. It needn't make you Sleepy though!
In answer to the OP - there aren't anything like as many Diablos as you might think there should be when reading here.
Ade and Lou's idea that you should join the Club is a good one, since between us all, we know most of the decent ones that are around, most of the cacked-about with ones as well and can help you buy a good 'un, if you want to do so...
Meanwhile, with a view to having something golden up your nostrils, the 'young lady' in this vid. might have the right idea when it comes to Diablos, so you needn't get all Grumpy and buy a Dopey one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHlA3fmJG0&fea...
Hier kommt die Sonne!
Edited by XXVIII on Wednesday 18th February 16:19
Dave
you do need to get out more!! that video link DOESNT HAVE A CAR IN IT! Why are you watching non-car vidoes! Just becasue it has an attractive girl living with 7 men who she treats as slaves and they worship her dosent make it interesting! (except to evil-dr-fish)
What is the OP question!
Paul
ps does the wife know you watch those vids!
you do need to get out more!! that video link DOESNT HAVE A CAR IN IT! Why are you watching non-car vidoes! Just becasue it has an attractive girl living with 7 men who she treats as slaves and they worship her dosent make it interesting! (except to evil-dr-fish)
What is the OP question!
Paul
ps does the wife know you watch those vids!
XXVIII said:
Ade and Lou's idea that you should join the Club is a good one, since between us all, we know most of the decent ones that are around, most of the cacked-about with ones as well and can help you buy a good 'un, if you want to do so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHlA3fmJG0&fea...
Hier kommt die Sonne!
+1 on that! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHlA3fmJG0&fea...
Hier kommt die Sonne!
Hi David David spent hours on the phone to me (random gobby stranger) giving me help and advice
Rammstein-tastic!!! Awesome video!
Paul - I think you'll find it's otherwise known as "Saturday night!"
paulqv said:
Paul
ps does the wife know you watch those vids!
er, yes she does, she gets to hear them as well... sometimes...ps does the wife know you watch those vids!
What on earth would I want to watch cars in vids for?
Why not combine some music with them, like BossCerbera did on the way to the Scottish Motorfair at Knockhill in 2007 in his 6.0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx5-IOD6aO4
although, there's a certain V12 music in this film that's hard to resist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQzWf06GY4k&fea...
and some cool 80's stuff whilst 'appreciating' Porsches in the unique way that he does...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmLQrb0Yd08
I'd like to stress, I'm not actually a big fan of Phil's driving or his cars or anything, obviously I'm not, no... really...
Edited by XXVIII on Wednesday 18th February 17:51
evil_dr_fish said:
IIRC there were 169 RHD Diablos ever made. 20 odd of which are sixes. 3-5 SE30's? (One tw@ted thanks to the floppy hatted one, one exported) etc etc etc
Manufactured RHDAround 25 6 litres.
Around 25 Roadsters (of 450 made)
About 12 SE30s. (about 10 left, 8 in the UK, 1 NZ, 1 Japan) (of
2WD dunno
SV dunno
Total diablos made left+right hand = 2884
From those model that are known, seems about 5 to 10% are right hand drive, so 169 is quite plausible. Definitely reckon the upper limit is about 220.
diablo_pete said:
seems about 5 to 10% are right hand drive, so 169 is quite plausible. Definitely reckon the upper limit is about 220.
It is actually a very 'odd' recurring percentage but, on average, year-on-year production of all Lamborghinis built since the late 1960s show that 10% or so are rhd... Almost all cars before a certain time will have been built lhd and then converted to come to the UK if not actually 'adjusted' when they got here. Obviously, not all of those 10% of Lamborghini cars have come to the UK but the UK is by far the biggest rhd market for any car manufacturer with the possible/probable exception of Japan. Not sure if Japan has been as big a market for Lamborghinis in the meantime though!
Usually, as a rough guesstimate you can say that if there were, say, 150 of a certain Lamborghini built (like my good ol' Jarama S) then 15 of those cars will have been right hand drive. Few of them (either way round) have survived - there aren't more than 5 rhd Jarama S's left in Ukland at this time, probably sod-all more of the lhd drive cars as well.
Rhd Lamborghinis are therefore rarer than t'other side drive cars and you'd think they'd command a higher value everywhere for rarity's sake.
You'd think but you're probably have gone and thunkeded wrong-like though...
Although bear in mind that Japanese owners consider having a LHD exotic to be more 'prestigious' than a RHD, and so the numbers of RHD cars there are much lower than you would expect. I used to work round the corner from the Tokyo Lambo dealer and there were never any RHD's on display.
Edited by Newc on Thursday 19th February 12:06
Newc said:
Although bear in mind that Japanese owners consider having a LHD exotic to be more 'prestigious' than a RHD, and so the numbers of RHD cars there are much lower than you would expect. I used to work round the corner from the Tokyo Lambo dealer and there were never any RHD's on display.
Cheers
Mark
...and every day is a school day - thanks for that informational insight!! Cheers
Mark
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Edited by XXVIII on Wednesday 18th February 20:28
I have heard the roughly 10 percent of all cars come to UK from Mike(forget his surname) who use to be at Portman Lambo I also understand that even though production has increased at the factory since the old days… less than 10% of cars now come to the UK as Lambo are in far more markets around the world than previously so each country gets less cars.
Someone posted this link a while ago which has the Diablo production numbers, according to that 5900 Diablos were made between 1990-1998, so that would mean roughly 500-590 Diablos in the UK?
http://www.autozine.org/Classiccar/html/Lamborghin...
Model Diablo Diablo VT Diablo SE 30
Year of production 1990-98 1993-98 1994-95
No. produced All types: 2,884 units All types: 2,884 units 150 units
Modern car number IIRC are 700 ish for all the different variants of the Gallardo, about 120ish for the 6.2 Murci, I’m not sure on the LP 640 or LP560
Someone posted this link a while ago which has the Diablo production numbers, according to that 5900 Diablos were made between 1990-1998, so that would mean roughly 500-590 Diablos in the UK?
http://www.autozine.org/Classiccar/html/Lamborghin...
Model Diablo Diablo VT Diablo SE 30
Year of production 1990-98 1993-98 1994-95
No. produced All types: 2,884 units All types: 2,884 units 150 units
Modern car number IIRC are 700 ish for all the different variants of the Gallardo, about 120ish for the 6.2 Murci, I’m not sure on the LP 640 or LP560
LamboFool said:
I have heard the roughly 10 percent of all cars come to UK from Mike(forget his surname) who use to be at Portman Lambo I also understand that even though production has increased at the factory since the old days… less than 10% of cars now come to the UK as Lambo are in far more markets around the world than previously so each country gets less cars.
Someone posted this link a while ago which has the Diablo production numbers, according to that 5900 Diablos were made between 1990-1998, so that would mean roughly 500-590 Diablos in the UK?
http://www.autozine.org/Classiccar/html/Lamborghin...
Model Diablo Diablo VT Diablo SE 30
Year of production 1990-98 1993-98 1994-95
No. produced All types: 2,884 units All types: 2,884 units 150 units
Modern car number IIRC are 700 ish for all the different variants of the Gallardo, about 120ish for the 6.2 Murci, I’m not sure on the LP 640 or LP560
erm... that's 2,884 All types (meaning 2wd, VT, SV etc) + 150 SE30 + 80 GT is ackcherly 3,114... so, there may well have been 311 Diablos in rhd, some 200+ at least in the UK... I seem to recall the production figures we printed for 1997 versus 1998 showed less than 300 cars were built at Sant'Agata in 1997 (could check, can barely be bothered, it's cold today...)Someone posted this link a while ago which has the Diablo production numbers, according to that 5900 Diablos were made between 1990-1998, so that would mean roughly 500-590 Diablos in the UK?
http://www.autozine.org/Classiccar/html/Lamborghin...
Model Diablo Diablo VT Diablo SE 30
Year of production 1990-98 1993-98 1994-95
No. produced All types: 2,884 units All types: 2,884 units 150 units
Modern car number IIRC are 700 ish for all the different variants of the Gallardo, about 120ish for the 6.2 Murci, I’m not sure on the LP 640 or LP560
I think you may well be right about the year-on-year drop of rhd cars as a percentage of annual production though. We've only got 5 official Lamborghini Ukplace centres selling new Lamborghinis at the moment whilst Automobili Lamborghini SpA are still opening new ones all over the world.
XXVIII said:
erm... that's 2,884 All types (meaning 2wd, VT, SV etc) + 150 SE30 + 80 GT is ackcherly 3,114... so, there may well have been 311 Diablos in rhd, some 200+ at least in the UK... I seem to recall the production figures we printed for 1997 versus 1998 showed less than 300 cars were built at Sant'Agata in 1997 (could check, can barely be bothered, it's cold today...)
No, as I said above, 2884 is total production, so you don't need to add 150+80 to the list.There are 4 (of 80) GTs in the UK (all left hookers), so our percentage is from 2808 cars.
I think judging that we have about 5.5% of worldwide roadsters and about 7% of SE30s, I reckon 6% is quite likely overall. We currently have 5% of GTs too.
So assuming 6% of 2884 gives us 173 cars. Compared to the figure heard by Robin (169), seems good to me.
Circa 170 cars, 6% of production.
2WD 873 made UK = 52 cars (assuming 6%) 873 source Lamborghini Registry
SE30+JOTA 150 made UK = 10 cars (count of known cars)
SV ?? made UK = ??
5.7 VT ?? made UK = ??
6.0 VT +SE 300 made UK = 20 cars (from previous thread count of known cars)
Roadster+SV 450 made UK = 25 various sources.
Total 1773.
Suggest SV +VT is approximately 2884 - 1773 = 1111
An even split is probably not too far off (although SV may be a little higher)
SV 556 made UK = 33 cars
5.7 VT 555 made UK = 33 cars
Total = 52+ 10 + 33 + 33 +20 +25 = 173 cars
Reckon this is a good starting place
(have ignored montery and alpine editions)
SUMMARY
2WD world 873 UK 52
SE30+JOTA world 150 UK 10
SV world 556 UK 33
5.7 VT world 555 UK 33
6.0 VT +SE world 300 UK 20
Roadster+SV world 450 UK 25
Total 2884 Total 173.
whilst I wouldn't want to question the figures of such great and knowledgeable people as Car & Driver, Autocar, Quattroroute or indeed the apparently all-knowing Diablo Pete... I'd like to query why the people at Autozine included just the easily verified specific numbers for only the SE30 and the Diablo GT but still seem to bundle ALL the others together with the 'specials' in the catch-all amount? (If that's what they actually did.)
For example, I'm sure that anybody wishing to buy a rwd 'original' spec. Diablo in 1998 would have been quietly pointed at one of those new Diablo SV's, yet this chart says that such a car was available, again, apparently...
It certainly wasn't a car that was being offered in the UK in 1998 or 1999 - I know as I designed the bloody sales brochures that were given to any 'serious' customers by the then UK importers and I'm quite sure they would have told me if I'd missed a few pages! If the 2wd were still being listed as available in 1996/7/8 they sure as 'ell didn't sell any in the UK.
For further example, that chart makes no reference to the Diablo Roadster at all... Are they included in the total or are they included in just the VT total not that there is one specific to just the VT? Are the tiny amount of SV Roadsters in there somehow or have they been ignored?
Why has there been no effort to separate the SE30 and SE30 Jota since they were (whatever anybody says), never officially Diablos even if they came with a Diablo manual? People can call them Diablos if they want, even if they're wrong.
And why is there no inclusion of the racing SVR's and GTR's since their tiny numbers would make a difference for some, it seems.
Why no mention of the Diablo engines and chassis that were sold to those weird nutters in South America when times were hard for Sant'Agata in the 1990s so those people could try to make their grotesque 'creations'...
With some certainty, given the nature of the Sant'Agata beast, there will have been any number of variables that applied.
Being precise in any way, shape or form regarding the 'exact' details of almost any facet of Automobili Lamborghini is a recipe for at least a severe headache if not an extended stay in a padded ward.
Better to chill out and be in-exact. It's more fun that way for most though it probably drives retentive non-loo users who otherwise would collect rare stamps and butterflies around the (U- ?) bend...
Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being all fisty-fighty about all this:
For example, I'm sure that anybody wishing to buy a rwd 'original' spec. Diablo in 1998 would have been quietly pointed at one of those new Diablo SV's, yet this chart says that such a car was available, again, apparently...
It certainly wasn't a car that was being offered in the UK in 1998 or 1999 - I know as I designed the bloody sales brochures that were given to any 'serious' customers by the then UK importers and I'm quite sure they would have told me if I'd missed a few pages! If the 2wd were still being listed as available in 1996/7/8 they sure as 'ell didn't sell any in the UK.
For further example, that chart makes no reference to the Diablo Roadster at all... Are they included in the total or are they included in just the VT total not that there is one specific to just the VT? Are the tiny amount of SV Roadsters in there somehow or have they been ignored?
Why has there been no effort to separate the SE30 and SE30 Jota since they were (whatever anybody says), never officially Diablos even if they came with a Diablo manual? People can call them Diablos if they want, even if they're wrong.
And why is there no inclusion of the racing SVR's and GTR's since their tiny numbers would make a difference for some, it seems.
Why no mention of the Diablo engines and chassis that were sold to those weird nutters in South America when times were hard for Sant'Agata in the 1990s so those people could try to make their grotesque 'creations'...
With some certainty, given the nature of the Sant'Agata beast, there will have been any number of variables that applied.
Being precise in any way, shape or form regarding the 'exact' details of almost any facet of Automobili Lamborghini is a recipe for at least a severe headache if not an extended stay in a padded ward.
Better to chill out and be in-exact. It's more fun that way for most though it probably drives retentive non-loo users who otherwise would collect rare stamps and butterflies around the (U- ?) bend...
Oh, and if anyone thinks I'm being all fisty-fighty about all this:
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