RE: Audi R15 TDI
Wednesday 18th February 2009

Audi R15 TDI

2009 Le Mans car greets the world



Audi has revealed an official image of its 2009 Le Mans entry, the highly anticipated R15 TDI that Allan McNish hopes to steer to victory in the French endurance classic.

The car was apparently due to be unveiled next month, but was photographed during secret testing at Vallelunga by Autosport magazine last week, prompting the German manufacturer to release its own photo from the same event.

Unfortunately the gloomy economic outlook has forced Audi to withdraw from the American and European Le Mans Series, where last year’s diesel R10 cleaned up. That leaves only the 12 Hours of Sebring in March and Le Mans in June for the Audi R15 TDI Le Mans Prototype to make its mark, with ‘Nishy’, Dindo Capello and Tom Kristensen defending their 2008 Le Mans title in one car, and Lucas Luhr, Mike Rockenfeller and Marco Werner sharing another.

According to Autosport, the new open-cockpit prototype racer is a radical departure from the R10, not least thanks to a new high-level nose that mimics latest aerodynamic thinking on the F1 grid. The new car’s radiators are also closer to the front wheels, there are newly scalloped sidepods and the rear end is much lower – apparently a ruse to improve downforce in the light of new LMP1 regulations demanding a 20 percent reduction in aero aids.

The recently all-conquering Audi diesels will hopefully have another decent fight on their hands at Le Mans this year, with tough competition expected from Peugeot and the gorgeous Gulf-liveried Astons. As if you needed any more encouragement to come and pitch your tent at the official PH campsite in Sarthe…

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scotty_917

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Wednesday 18th February 2009
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...still too silent though....shame! driving

chevronb37

6,472 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Yeah, a real shame the R10 and 908 aren't blood and thunder sportscars of the old school. However, the eeriness of seeing them travelling at huge speed is a spectacle in its own right. There will also be two privateer R10s entered by Colin Kolles' team in the LMS. Peugeot hasn't entered the whole series, but will make a few rounds, as I understand it.

Turbobanana

8,133 posts

227 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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You could never call it pretty, I'm pleased that they are still investing in competition (albeit a reduced programme).

cvegas

324 posts

229 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Lets hope the V12 petrol Astons beats this dull sounding waste of a racing car chassis.

Ed.

2,176 posts

264 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Now they have won a few times shirly its time for a level playing field diesel vs petrol.

Muzzlehatch

4,768 posts

268 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Fantastic car, but what a shame the rules still allow them to benefit with that bloody diesel.

raharley

518 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Diesel race car? Don't make me laugh.

zebedee

4,595 posts

304 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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raharley said:
Diesel race car? Don't make me laugh.
obviously a big motor racing fan

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

276 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Rules have been changed again a little this year to even it up even more, but if you get in herent advantages with diesel - why not use it?!

They're there to win, not fund your petrolhead desires for flame spitting over runs.

raharley

518 posts

212 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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zebedee said:
raharley said:
Diesel race car? Don't make me laugh.
obviously a big motor racing fan
Lol, it was tongue in cheek... jokes aside, won't they just bring out a new 'R' every year to win Le Mans with, until everyone else catches up/on

astrsxi77

305 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Roll on Le Mans Classic 2010 where Diesels power the recovery trucks.

vz-r_dave

3,469 posts

244 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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TonyHetherington said:
Rules have been changed again a little this year to even it up even more, but if you get in herent advantages with diesel - why not use it?!

They're there to win, not fund your petrolhead desires for flame spitting over runs.
That taken in to consideration, if the whole field where diesels would anyone really want to go and watch it?

They would have to play sound from the bloody speakers.

Its ruining the sport imo.

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

276 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Good question!

Don't get me wrong, I love standing at Arnage for the sunrise with the corvettes and Astons noisely spearing into view, then shooting off into the distance. The Audis and Pugs then come along and it's different and interesting.

But if they were ALL like that, I hadn't considered that thought. I think it would be a very strange feeling and probably not as much of a spectacle.

Interesting question - hadn't considered that.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

300 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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TonyHetherington said:
Rules have been changed again a little this year to even it up even more, but if you get in herent advantages with diesel - why not use it?!

They're there to win, not fund your petrolhead desires for flame spitting over runs.
if only that were the case...

the rules for the dismals are so rigged, it's just pointless...

if they actually ran 'real' diesel it would be a start (as opposed to synthetic from CNG), and then the same CC, restrictor and turbo rulesas the petrol cars, they would be nowhere.

bales

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244 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Scuffers said:
TonyHetherington said:
Rules have been changed again a little this year to even it up even more, but if you get in herent advantages with diesel - why not use it?!

They're there to win, not fund your petrolhead desires for flame spitting over runs.
if only that were the case...

the rules for the dismals are so rigged, it's just pointless...

if they actually ran 'real' diesel it would be a start (as opposed to synthetic from CNG), and then the same CC, restrictor and turbo rulesas the petrol cars, they would be nowhere.
But isn't that the point they can't compete on a level playing field because the two types of engine differ. What would be the point of restricting them to the same inlet restrictor when it would put them at a massive disadvantage and then there would be no point in even competing.

We should be welcoming different engine types into motorsport as I think it makes it more interesting. I do agree that they still need to tweak the equivalency rules but surely if they get them so that both sorts of cars are roughly equivalent in terms of lap times then I can only see it being a good thing watching two cars with such differing power delivery characteristics competeing.

It makes it more interesting if you know that that the diesels have the punch out of corners but their weight disadvantage means that their corner speeds aren't quite up to that of the petrols. Its better than watching F1 or touring cars where you never see any real differences between the cars and the way they attack the track.

Is it that much different (forgetting the noise) to classic touring cars where you used to get tiny mini's up against mk2 jags and mustangs. One smaller car that has a severe power disadvantage but better cornering versus a big brute of american muscle that can demolish the straights!!

Motorsport should be about progression not just sticking to what we know works, I personally see it as a good thing.

It also says some thing about Audi's engineers that even with the weight distribution disadvantage and sheer size of the block compared to the other cars they can still compete on absolute cornering speeds aswell!!

Edited by bales on Wednesday 18th February 15:23

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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I wasn't convinced by the derv dogs when they first started. I still wouldn't want to have to see a field of 55 of them, but there is something about them, the sense of massive power beneath the whispering exterior. I'm almost begining to like them and the way they enrich the show, in their own style.

Don't get me wrong, nothing will ever replace being 3 feet from the back of a Panoz when it fires up, but they do have something far more subtle than i would ever have believed that creeps up on you.

The fact the Pug looks so damn good hasn't hurt, that this appears pig ugly in photos, i'm not sure about.

190E Matt

6,634 posts

240 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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I am bored of Audi at Lemans, the battle for GT1 title is a much more interesting race.

Edited by 190E Matt on Wednesday 18th February 15:45

Rude-boy

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259 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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190E Matt said:
I am bored of Audi at Lemans, the battle for GT1 title is a much more interesting race.
Really? Almost every year there has always been a battle of some form, even between themselves, save 2006. Even then there was a chance they might break. The Pugs should have won it last year if it hadn't been for a couple of under par drivers, some bad luck and a couple of stellar drives from the Audi camp.

Muzzlehatch

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Wednesday 18th February 2009
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bales said:
We should be welcoming different engine types into motorsport as I think it makes it more interesting.
Quite right, but not diesel. The new different engine types that you refer to should be those that could be better and more efficient than the current yardstick of petrol engines. Diesel is proven to be a bad choice for motor racing, but still the rules are bent to allow it to win (and the manufacturers to advertise the roadcar TDIs that people prefer mainly for tax reasons).

If someone invented a new engine (electric, otherwise, or even a completely new design of diesel engine) which was a better proposition for motor racing than petrol, then I'm all for it. What I'm not "all for" is a contrived reason for diesels to tarnish a great sport.

I used to be deeply into Group 5, Group C, etc, but have no interest whatsoever at the moment. </harumph>

bales

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244 months

Wednesday 18th February 2009
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Muzzlehatch said:
Diesel is proven to be a bad choice for motor racing
Why?

As I said if they can get lap times similar but have differing power delivery characteristics what is your problem with diesel?

Just ignore the noise for now