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666 SVT

893 posts

128 months

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Thursday 16th April 2009 quote quote all
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.

the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Would you like to point out where the VX-R is quicker please Dave?

It's quicker from 100-0 ?
If you want a fast hatch get a Grand Cherokee SRT8 0-60 4.8 wet or dry with 4 adults a dog a fridge freezer in the back and a canoe
on the roof. Job done. There is no substitute for cubic inches !!!!!

G0ldfysh

3,089 posts

145 months

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vz-r_dave said:
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.

the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.
Would you like to point out where the VX-R is quicker please Dave?

Thanks for the information, I am suprised at the pace of the S3 for sure never knew it was that quick. R32UK was right all along, I knew I should have belived him. Infact I am going to agree the new Insignia going by the Astra's performance is going to be st compared to the new S4

I stand corrected.
Quicker to stop biggrin

G_T

10,082 posts

78 months

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Bloody hell that S3 has got some poke after 60.

As per someone elses post, where did you get that data? Tis tres useful.

Clivey

3,766 posts

92 months

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Thursday 16th April 2009 quote quote all
G0ldfysh said:
vz-r_dave said:
mitch78 said:
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.

the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.
Would you like to point out where the VX-R is quicker please Dave?

Thanks for the information, I am suprised at the pace of the S3 for sure never knew it was that quick. R32UK was right all along, I knew I should have belived him. Infact I am going to agree the new Insignia going by the Astra's performance is going to be st compared to the new S4

I stand corrected.
Quicker to stop biggrin
Excellent! Just pure class!!!jesterroflbeer

NST

1,485 posts

131 months

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the S3 seems very fast to 130mph.. the 0-100mph time is not to far off a 335i.. i wonder if the car they used in the test was 'in good shape' or the 261 horses are on steriods?! mighty impressive figures for a car with 261bhp imho.
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CorsaScott

170 posts

85 months

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Clivey said:
Dagnut said:
Interesting enough car for me anyway, but someone mentioned it will be RWD biased is this true? why would the article be mentioning torque steer if its RWD biased?
The only way I can compare them is this: "If I had "X" amount of money to purchase one, which would I choose?"

If that number is £15k, I'll be looking at a used VXR. If that number is £25k, an S3. If it's £20k, I've honestly got a lot of thinking to do (about whether I want a new VXR with all the goodies, or an older S3 which probably isn't exactly how I want it)!

One thing though...the Astra VXRs residuals...actually, they were pretty damn good last time I checked the prices on AutoTrader!cool
Or to throw a spanner in the works, a second hand Astra with some fettling done (LSD, exhaust, remap etc. etc.) then you'd have something that could swing for the S3 evil

G_T

10,082 posts

78 months

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CorsaScott said:
Or to throw a spanner in the works, a second hand Astra with some fettling done (LSD, exhaust, remap etc. etc.) then you'd have something that could swing for the S3 evil
Yes, just what the torque steery beast needs; more bhp.

...And if we fettled with the S3? -We'd knock more lumps out of the gofastra wouldn't we?

I love the VXR but the S3 is the better car IMO.


dorme

198 posts

69 months

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Thursday 16th April 2009 quote quote all
vz-r_dave said:
dorme said:
astra vxr is NOT quicker than the audi s3.

the s3 is 0-60 5.5s with 261bhp 258lb-ft.
the astra is 0-60 in 6.2 with 236bhp and 236lb-ft.
Dorme, this is a car enthusiasts website. The least you want to do is start quoting 0-60 times as a refernce to how quick a car is. In gear times are what you should be quoting. I think you'd then be suprised at the VXR's pace.
i sincerely apolagise, but i couldnt be arsed to look up the in gear times, but im sure you can take enough away from the manufacturers specs (they make the cars) to see which car is clearly going to be quickest in most situations, the fact the torque steering vxr is fwd and the s3 4wd will prob help the s3 reign supreme no matter what track you throw at it.
plus, the astra is crap *flame suit on*

mitch78

959 posts

84 months

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G_T said:
Bloody hell that S3 has got some poke after 60.

As per someone elses post, where did you get that data? Tis tres useful.
Sorry, I don't know where it's from originally. It was posted by TheKirbyFake in a thread a while back, about the Focus RS, maybe we should ask him. At the time time it showed all the cars I was interested in comparing, so wasn't bothered about any updates, it would be useful though.

Zoki

376 posts

101 months

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I would like to see the Mazda 3 MPS data there too, similar power to the S3 but no 4wd.

adycav

7,615 posts

105 months

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Let's not forget, folks, that all these figures are only one aspect of performance motoring.

Yes the S3 is immensely quick in the midrange but it's a bit on the dull side imho.

Perhaps the simple, rwd, n/a pleasures of a 330i offer more to the enthusiast than either the S4 or Insignia VXR, even if it is 'slower'...

R32UK

151 posts

69 months

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Thursday 16th April 2009 quote quote all
CorsaScott said:
Clivey said:
Dagnut said:
Interesting enough car for me anyway, but someone mentioned it will be RWD biased is this true? why would the article be mentioning torque steer if its RWD biased?
The only way I can compare them is this: "If I had "X" amount of money to purchase one, which would I choose?"

If that number is £15k, I'll be looking at a used VXR. If that number is £25k, an S3. If it's £20k, I've honestly got a lot of thinking to do (about whether I want a new VXR with all the goodies, or an older S3 which probably isn't exactly how I want it)!

One thing though...the Astra VXRs residuals...actually, they were pretty damn good last time I checked the prices on AutoTrader!cool
Or to throw a spanner in the works, a second hand Astra with some fettling done (LSD, exhaust, remap etc. etc.) then you'd have something that could swing for the S3 evil
know a couple of people with exhaust and remap on their S3's also. IIRC stage 2 will push out a very easy and usable360bhp.

Come to think of it a S3 sportback with remap would get my vote. Some call it boring some call it clinical... but add an extra 100 ponies and thats the last thing it is! smile

mclaren-rule

53 posts

86 months

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the only thing stopping me from wanting one is that its a vauxhall.

G51CAV

926 posts

86 months

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Munter said:
HughN said:
A £30K Vauxhall? Might as well write "I am a really good rep" on the side.
Unless it's the estate. The I would think it'll most likely have POLICE written on it. hehe

(As someone else suggested above)
Oh god I hope you are right, I am so sick of those big oil burning, image obsessed, german barges we have now!

HAB

3,626 posts

115 months

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What surprises me most in that table is just how slow they all are (apart from the Audi, in relation to their BHP/Torque??

Haven't got a clue about these modern hot hatches, but they must weigh a lot considering their acceleration (or lack of) That doesn't explain why the Audi is in aanother league though, I imagine.

mackie1

7,294 posts

121 months

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I can only think that the S3 had the wick turned up a bit and the AWD traction helped aswell. I believe they can make an easy 300bhp with just a remap.


HAB

3,626 posts

115 months

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mackie1 said:
I can only think that the S3 had the wick turned up a bit and the AWD traction helped aswell. I believe they can make an easy 300bhp with just a remap.
...or the others in the test aren't making what they're claiming, which seems more likely considering the Audi is where it should be performance wise for its BHP IMHO.

mackie1

7,294 posts

121 months

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The figures look about right to me if the others are standard and the S3 is putting out 280-300bhp.

HAB

3,626 posts

115 months

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0-100 in 17.X, and 1/4 miles of 15.5, aren't what I'd expect of 220 to 240 bhp cars.

mitch78

959 posts

84 months

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mackie1 said:
The figures look about right to me if the others are standard and the S3 is putting out 280-300bhp.
As ALL S3s do in completely standard form. The manufacturer figures are low compared to actual output. Those that are forking out for a remap just to get pub-bragging headline figures are a little annoyed when they discover they've only gained 10-15bhp over the other guys at the dyno day in standard cars. biggrin

EDIT: But we're supposed to be talking about the Cavalier, sorry, Insignia. wink

Edited by mitch78 on Thursday 16th April 22:46

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