95 vs 98 Octane
Discussion
DrYazz said:
Can a chemical engineer explain what the benefits of feeding a car with 98 rated petrol over normal 95 is?
Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
octane is a rating of combustibility (or so I'm told) the higher octane fuel contains more potential energy. This allows you to run more aggressive tunes and with turbo cars more boost and make more power.Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
With many modern cars with "knock sensors" the ECU can automatically run a more aggressive tune (to a limit) on the higher octane fuel. Gains maybe minimal though and turbo cars see the best results.
300bhp/ton said:
DrYazz said:
Can a chemical engineer explain what the benefits of feeding a car with 98 rated petrol over normal 95 is?
Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
octane is a rating of combustibility (or so I'm told) the higher octane fuel contains more potential energy. Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
Octane rating does not relate to the energy content of the fuel. It is only a measure of the fuel's tendency to burn rather than explode.
Hang on I'll find a decent website....
Decent websites are thin on the ground.
But here's some bedtime reading.
http://www.rxp.com/Octane.htm
But here's some bedtime reading.
http://www.rxp.com/Octane.htm
Coq au Vin said:
Quite well, but in the UK (and most other countries) RON 98 and RON 95 start off as EXACTLY the same fuel, and have EXACTLY the same amount of energy; the increase in octane rating is achieved by chemical additives, usually added at the distribution depots.GravelBen said:
DrYazz said:
Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
Depends on the car but with turbos most definitely - I notice 10-15% better fuel economy on 98 as well as significantly more power.I'd like to think my Focus RS runs better on V-Power than normal shell, but since i'm too chicken to try anything else, I can't prove it. It specifically says "97+" on the fuel cap, so i'd like to think there's a reason for it.
Does anyone know if normal shell is 95 or 97 ron? I'm assuming it's 95.
Does anyone know if normal shell is 95 or 97 ron? I'm assuming it's 95.
Orangecurry said:
Coq au Vin said:
Quite well, but in the UK (and most other countries) RON 98 and RON 95 start off as EXACTLY the same fuel, and have EXACTLY the same amount of energy; the increase in octane rating is achieved by chemical additives, usually added at the distribution depots.leon_t said:
Orangecurry said:
Coq au Vin said:
Quite well, but in the UK (and most other countries) RON 98 and RON 95 start off as EXACTLY the same fuel, and have EXACTLY the same amount of energy; the increase in octane rating is achieved by chemical additives, usually added at the distribution depots.Orangecurry said:
leon_t said:
Orangecurry said:
Coq au Vin said:
Quite well, but in the UK (and most other countries) RON 98 and RON 95 start off as EXACTLY the same fuel, and have EXACTLY the same amount of energy; the increase in octane rating is achieved by chemical additives, usually added at the distribution depots.Can anyone explain the difference in make-up of these two fuels in particular?
DrYazz said:
Can a chemical engineer explain what the benefits of feeding a car with 98 rated petrol over normal 95 is?
Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
No performance gains if your car isn't set up for it. If your car IS set up for it, then depending on the engine you either lose performance and/or risk damaging the engine. Are there genuine and noticeable performance gains with the 98 stuff?
As said there is no worthwhile difference in energy content, it is purely based on the way it allows the engine to ignite the fuel, and thus the efficiency of combustion. Long story short, lower octane fuel must be ignited later in the cycle, which means more of the energy is wasted as heat in the exhaust, and less of it goes into driving the piston.
youngsyr said:
Orangecurry said:
leon_t said:
Orangecurry said:
Coq au Vin said:
Quite well, but in the UK (and most other countries) RON 98 and RON 95 start off as EXACTLY the same fuel, and have EXACTLY the same amount of energy; the increase in octane rating is achieved by chemical additives, usually added at the distribution depots.Can anyone explain the difference in make-up of these two fuels in particular?
Tescos99 has 5% bioethanol
http://www.greenergy.com/tesco_99_octane/FAQs.html
V-power - who knows, Shell seem to want to keep it secret
http://www.shell.co.uk/home/content/gbr/products_s...
ETA I found this - this implies that ordinary v-power does NOT have any (bio)ethanol
wikipedia about v-power said:
The higher the Octane rating, the more the fuel resists premature ignition (see petrol for more detail). V-Power also contains higher concentrations of detergents and other additives to clean the engine and smooth its operation. In Australia, the previously obtainable higher grade V-Power Racing which contained 5% ethanol to boost V-Power's octane rating to 100 RON has now been phased out by Shell due to a "changing market".
Edited by Orangecurry on Tuesday 12th May 11:43
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