Driving with road legal track tyres??

Driving with road legal track tyres??

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jim_1976

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330 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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Hi, I was looking for some info on using a car on the public highway with road legal track tyres. I'm soon to drive to Newcastle from Glasgow and back with Toyo R888's on my car. Although these are road legal tyres, is likely to be frowned upon? Are all BiB aware that these and similar types of tyres are in fact road legal? I could personally understand why someone would think they are dodgy! I've been discussing this recently with some friends and no-one can give me a real opinion on it!! Worst case, probably paranoia, scenario would be the car being taken from me and missing my ferry to Holland until the matter is cleared (hours??). Or as I previously said, is this just paranoia? Lol.

Whilst on this subject, can anyone confirm what percentage of the tyre has to have tread on it in order to be classed as road legal?

Thanks in advance.

TTwiggy

11,538 posts

204 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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Lotus Exige comes from the factory with semi-slicks - AFAIK if the tread depth is above the legal minimum then no problems...

Just watch out for standing water!

jim_1976

Original Poster:

330 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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Yeah I know, I think some Mitsubishi Evo's came with cut slicks too, but was just curious what some of the BiB would reckon! What would happen if someone with not a lot of experience were to stop me and check the tyres, could I end up getting a hard time (from lack of said experience) or would this matter be easily resolved at the side of the road across the radio/telephone??

They do look dodgy! I have had some comments from folk who don't know they are road legal. Along the lines of "you'll get the jail!", Lol.

superlightr

12,856 posts

263 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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the track tyre if ok for the road will be E marked (should be) All my 7's had track tyres and had them over 6 years with road driving with no problems and MOT's and a police stop.

Im sure you will be fine. Look up the regs for tyres and check your conform.

jaf01uk

1,943 posts

196 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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superlightr said:
the track tyre if ok for the road will be E marked (should be) All my 7's had track tyres and had them over 6 years with road driving with no problems and MOT's and a police stop.

Im sure you will be fine. Look up the regs for tyres and check your conform.
And would track tyres not have "Not for road/highway use" emblazened on the sidewalls as well?
Gary

FNG

4,176 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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yes they do.

To OP - if you're worried about it at all, just make sure you know exactly where the E marking is on your tyre sidewall. Should you be stopped, point it out helpfully.

If you can show without fuss or bluster that your tyres are approved, and the policeman doesn't have to get down on hands and knees to check all round the tyre sidewall for a little mark, you should be absolutely fine.

I don't think you'll have a problem though.

Arklight

891 posts

189 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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You shouldn't have a problem, i've run r888's on the skyline for ages and never been given a second galnce by the BiB.

superlightr

12,856 posts

263 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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jaf01uk said:
superlightr said:
the track tyre if ok for the road will be E marked (should be) All my 7's had track tyres and had them over 6 years with road driving with no problems and MOT's and a police stop.

Im sure you will be fine. Look up the regs for tyres and check your conform.
And would track tyres not have "Not for road/highway use" emblazened on the sidewalls as well?
Gary
my A032R were track tyres and E and had no restriction on the side. so fine for road.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

274 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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As said, so long as they are E marked:


jim_1976

Original Poster:

330 posts

222 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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Thanks for the info folk, very helpful. I guess it was just a little paranoia after the comments by some un-educated friends!! Lol. I'll check where the E mark is.

streaky

19,311 posts

249 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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jaf01uk said:
superlightr said:
the track tyre if ok for the road will be E marked (should be) All my 7's had track tyres and had them over 6 years with road driving with no problems and MOT's and a police stop.

Im sure you will be fine. Look up the regs for tyres and check your conform.
And would track tyres not have "Not for road/highway use" emblazened on the sidewalls as well?
Gary
"Emblazoned", eh? I must look out for that on the F1 cars smile - Streaky

BertBert

19,048 posts

211 months

Tuesday 26th May 2009
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I thought that the E mark meant they could be sold for road use, not that the lack of E mark meant they couldn't be used on the road.

E means can used on the road.
No E does not mean can't use on the road.

Could be wrong (again) though!

Bert

Utterpiffle

831 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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I have a set of these Michelin TB5R's:


They are road legal e-marked and come with a letter of conformity from Michelin to show the BiB / MOT man. I still don't dare put them on my car though!

Don

28,377 posts

284 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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Utterpiffle said:
They are road legal e-marked and come with a letter of conformity from Michelin to show the BiB / MOT man. I still don't dare put them on my car though!
Wow. They must have absolutely no wet weather grip at all!

Even the Pilot Sport Cup tyres have some tread designed to disperse water - on those it's clearly a "contractual obligations" tread designed to minimise difference in performance from a true slick.

Amazing! Great on a dry track day. Dodgy on the way home if there's even a spot of rain!

FNG

4,176 posts

224 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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They're just what I need for my track car.

Not at £300 a corner, though...

I'd be very nervous of using them on the road, too, unless the forecast was ironclad sunshine all day.

herewego

8,814 posts

213 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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How do those meet the requirement for 75% of tread width to have min 1.6mm depth?

Utterpiffle

831 posts

180 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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FNG said:
They're just what I need for my track car.

Not at £300 a corner, though...

I'd be very nervous of using them on the road, too, unless the forecast was ironclad sunshine all day.
Yeah, I certainly didn't pay that much for them though!

herewego said:
How do those meet the requirement for 75% of tread width to have min 1.6mm depth?
No idea. I guess it only has tread in the middle, so 75% of that?

I just don't dare put them on a road car, firstly for fear of being stopped, but as said above, they must be very dangerous in the wet. And as they are 15's, they won't fit on my current Merc track car. I bought them for a track day car I'm building which is a loooong way off completion.

Sorry OP, didn't mean to hijack...

herewego

8,814 posts

213 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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The tread must be the part of the tyre that sits on the ground, not just the grooved part, so I don't see how that tyre could be road legal.

B16JUS

2,385 posts

237 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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Utterpiffle said:
I have a set of these Michelin TB5R's:


They are road legal e-marked and come with a letter of conformity from Michelin to show the BiB / MOT man. I still don't dare put them on my car though!
they are a little tasty, i use dunlop d01j's

J

LRdriver II

1,936 posts

249 months

Wednesday 27th May 2009
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Its the other way around.. there has to be grooves covering a minimum of 20% of the tyre surface.. ergo these TB, R888, Yoko A032/ A048 etc etc.. all have exactly that.

Non E-marked tyres are illegal for the EU/UK vendor to sell, but you as a consumer can import tyres yourself from the US and fit. See the difference?
You cant SVA a car with them, but MOT has NO requirement to have E marked tyres.

Grey area indeed with the E markings and I bet the insurance will have a field day with this one.

But driving with tyres that alot of cars drive with as OEM, dont worry about the BIB. (I have driven with A048 yokos on the road in my Exige for several years, never an issue)