Engine Identification

[Popzak]

Is there anyone that knows where I can get information on a 1600cc Ford from the numbers stamped on the engine block? I used to have a website that listed the year,HP etc,but I can no longer find it.The engine in my Vixen is not original.I believe it came out of a 70's Europian/Canadian spec Capri GT...Thank You Eddie

[youngnick]

This may help:

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/ford_date_chart.aspx


Alan

[Popzak]

I looked there previously..Alot of Great Tech. advice,but nothing on numbers..I'll keep searching..Thank You Alan

youngnick said:

This may help:

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/ford_date_chart.aspx


Alan

[Popzak]

Seems the Capri GT had the Ford 1600cc Crossflow for Only 2 yrs 69 and 70.So it's probabley a 70.PO said it was taken from a 70's Capri GT.So I guess it's a 70...Still would like to find the engine #....Eddie

[pumpkin]

You may find this site useful. It deals with the Lotus blocks but also general cCortina blocks. It is also useful if you want to know which block can be bored out to maximum size.....
http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks....

[Popzak]

Thanks Pumpkin...Great Info on the engine..I have to recheck the Numbers tommorrow at the Garage...I'll let You know what I find.

pumpkin said:

You may find this site useful. It deals with the Lotus blocks but also general cCortina blocks. It is also useful if you want to know which block can be bored out to maximum size.....
http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks....

[Popzak]

I rechecked the engine numbers and this is what I have:
Z1030
1.6
HM 6015 A-A
This is how they appear on the engine block...
If you go to this link and Look under Kent Crossflow...It clearly states that 6015 A-A is 1300cc...but it says 771M 6015 A-A.What does the HM stand for?,and why is there 1.6 stamped above it...I'm confused...Eddie

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/kent_crossf...

Popzak said:

Thanks Pumpkin...Great Info on the engine..I have to recheck the Numbers tommorrow at the Garage...I'll let You know what I find.

pumpkin said:

You may find this site useful. It deals with the Lotus blocks but also general cCortina blocks. It is also useful if you want to know which block can be bored out to maximum size.....
http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks....

[Popzak]

Thanks Alan.I can't get the link to open from here...I tried again on the previous post...Eddie

youngnick said:

This may help:

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/ford_date_chart.aspx


Alan

[status]

Popzak said:

I rechecked the engine numbers and this is what I have:
Z1030
1.6
HM 6015 A-A
This is how they appear on the engine block...
If you go to this link and Look under Kent Crossflow...It clearly states that 6015 A-A is 1300cc...but it says 771M 6015 A-A.What does the HM stand for?,and why is there 1.6 stamped above it...I'm confused...Eddie

Hi Eddie

AFAIK Capri's are rear wheel drive, so I would expect them to use the 711M block.

I believe the Kent 771M block is a slightly shortened version of the 711M, to fit a transverse front wheel drive configuration. It came in 1.3 and 1.6 variants iirc (AA is 1.3 and AB 1.6 I think). If memory serves me correctly, you cannot fit a double timing chain to the 771 due to the timimg chain cover being narrower than the 711M (you may be able to swap them but I never tried as it I believe wouldn't fit the engine bay of my Fiesta XR2 Mk1 - probably why they did the change in the first place)

I'm not certain of the meaning of the HM prefix but wikipedia says that the Kent "Valencia" engine was used in the Escort Mk3/4 and looking up HM at the BurtonPower link maps it to Nov 87. In Europe this might mean your engine was a Mk4 Escort engine, and it does at least confirm that cars were still being produced with Kent's in the late 80's.

However I'm not certain that Escorts were sold in the USA with OHV engines though so maybe my HM thoughts above are wrong... Ford did sell the Fiesta with a 1.6 Kent in USA from '78-'80 so that might be another possible source for your engine.

The 1.6 stamping is curious and seems to contradict the A-A. I think you would have to measure the actual cylinder capacity to see if it refers to your engine cc or not.

Hope my ramblings take you in the right direction, think I'll go fire up the XR2 now and see if it still works

cheers
Nick

Popzak said:

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/kent_crossf...

Popzak said:

Thanks Pumpkin...Great Info on the engine..I have to recheck the Numbers tommorrow at the Garage...I'll let You know what I find.

pumpkin said:

You may find this site useful. It deals with the Lotus blocks but also general cCortina blocks. It is also useful if you want to know which block can be bored out to maximum size.....
http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks....

Edited by status on Saturday 27th June 13:23

[Popzak]

Thank You Nick...I also posted this question in the TVR pre 80's group,and would like to Thank everyone for their Help.What's interesting and brought to my attention is that HM is listed in the Ford manufactures dates and HM is Nov 1987!!! .PO said the gentleman who did the actual Restoration took the engine out of a 70's I believe Capri GT..Maybe a 70's car with an 87 engine?Very confuseing.I'll keep researching...Thanks Again...Cheers Eddie

status said:

Popzak said:

I rechecked the engine numbers and this is what I have:
Z1030
1.6
HM 6015 A-A
This is how they appear on the engine block...
If you go to this link and Look under Kent Crossflow...It clearly states that 6015 A-A is 1300cc...but it says 771M 6015 A-A.What does the HM stand for?,and why is there 1.6 stamped above it...I'm confused...Eddie

I believe the Kent 771M block is a slightly shortened version of the 711M, to fit a transverse front wheel drive configuration. It came in 1.3 and 1.6 variants iirc (AA is 1.3 and AB 1.6 I think). If memory serves me correctly, you cannot fit a double timing chain to the 771 due to the timimg chain cover being narrower than the 711M (you may be able to swap them but I never tried as it I believe wouldn't fit the engine bay of my XR2 Mk1 - probably why they did the change in the first place)

Just did a Google search and this page seems to have some explaination of casting numbers and confirms my recollection about AA vs AB.

I'm not certain of the meaning of the HM prefix but wikipedia says that the 1.3 Kent "Valencia" engine was used in the Escort Mk3/4 and looking up HM at the BurtonPower link maps it to Nov 87 which, if true, might mean your engine is a Mk4 Escort engine.

I have no idea what the 1.6 stamping means - you would have to measure the actual cylinder capacity to see if it refers to your engine cc or not. I also seem to recall that the 1.6 block was slightly taller than the 1.3 but it's been a long time since I really played with one of these engines.

Hope my ramblings take you in the right direction, think I'll go fire up the XR2 now and see if it still works

cheers
Nick

Popzak said:

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/kent_crossf...

Popzak said:

Thanks Pumpkin...Great Info on the engine..I have to recheck the Numbers tommorrow at the Garage...I'll let You know what I find.

pumpkin said:

You may find this site useful. It deals with the Lotus blocks but also general cCortina blocks. It is also useful if you want to know which block can be bored out to maximum size.....
http://www.lotus-cortina.com/library/block/blocks....

[status]

Hi Eddie

Your post has me intrigued so I've been Googling a bit and came across this which is an interesting read of some of the Kent evolution, and has a short bit about how the 771M differs from the 711M block.

It does also say "All Crossflows carry the same bore size of 80.978mm (3.1881 inches) with the different capacity being taken up with stroke. The differences are: 1100cc 53.29 mm, 1300cc 62.99 mm, 1600cc 77.62 mm" so I guess you could check the actual cc of your engine by measuring the stroke.

cheers
Nick

[Popzak]

Thanks Nick,Checking the Stroke seems to be the Only Solution to be sure,of the engine size.I'm going to check the cylinder head numbers and every number i can find on the Block for more clues,I'm going to try to locate the Gent that did the Actual Restoration.,He's the one that swapped the engine..Cheers Eddie....Hi Eddie

Your post has me intrigued so I've been Googling a bit and came across this which is an interesting read of some of the Kent evolution, and has a short bit about how the 771M differs from the 711M block.

It does also say "All Crossflows carry the same bore size of 80.978mm (3.1881 inches) with the different capacity being taken up with stroke. The differences are: 1100cc 53.29 mm, 1300cc 62.99 mm, 1600cc 77.62 mm" so I guess you could check the actual cc of your engine by measuring the stroke.

cheers
Nick
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[Popzak]

Found what I was looking for..It's a Ford Pinto 2000cc Imported from England..Thanks for all the Help...Cheers Eddie

Popzak said:

Thanks Nick,Checking the Stroke seems to be the Only Solution to be sure,of the engine size.I'm going to check the cylinder head numbers and every number i can find on the Block for more clues,I'm going to try to locate the Gent that did the Actual Restoration.,He's the one that swapped the engine..Cheers Eddie....Hi Eddie

Your post has me intrigued so I've been Googling a bit and came across this which is an interesting read of some of the Kent evolution, and has a short bit about how the 771M differs from the 711M block.

It does also say "All Crossflows carry the same bore size of 80.978mm (3.1881 inches) with the different capacity being taken up with stroke. The differences are: 1100cc 53.29 mm, 1300cc 62.99 mm, 1600cc 77.62 mm" so I guess you could check the actual cc of your engine by measuring the stroke.

cheers
Nick