Parking Commercial Vehicles - What can be done?
Discussion
We have a local landscaping and gardening company who have 3 vans that they park regularly in our street. They arrive in their cars in the morning, take the vans and return to swap them over in the evenings. We understand that the owner of the business lives one road over, where the parking is worse.
All of the vans are road legal (2 pickups and a small panel van) but are all eyesores to behold. I don't have an issue with people parking their cars if they live in the road, but these people don't and obviously have a problem with parking where they live. We live in a leafy residential road and feel aggrieved that they are effectively running their business from outside our home.
Our initial investigations with the council have said that they are not breaking any laws, so we can't do anything about it, however in our minds it seems wrong and we wanted to know if there was anything that could be done legally, or should we just put up and shut up?
All of the vans are road legal (2 pickups and a small panel van) but are all eyesores to behold. I don't have an issue with people parking their cars if they live in the road, but these people don't and obviously have a problem with parking where they live. We live in a leafy residential road and feel aggrieved that they are effectively running their business from outside our home.
Our initial investigations with the council have said that they are not breaking any laws, so we can't do anything about it, however in our minds it seems wrong and we wanted to know if there was anything that could be done legally, or should we just put up and shut up?
So maybe a diplomatic chat is in order, if I feel it would make any difference.
The council has already put single yellow lines down one side of the road, due to big parking issues we used to have (not too far from a school, so the mum run was a sight to behold, especially when the bin men tried to get down the road!).
The council has already put single yellow lines down one side of the road, due to big parking issues we used to have (not too far from a school, so the mum run was a sight to behold, especially when the bin men tried to get down the road!).
cuneus said:
It depends on the exact size of the vehicle. Vosa license vehicle parking for business - worth checking on the website
Seconded.As goods vehicles they may well have to take out an Operating licence with the Traffic Commisioners. If they do they have to provide details of their Operating Centre which has not to be in conflict with the environment.
Details of the various (8) Traffic Commissioner are on the web.
If they have to register then organise a petition if word of mouth does not work.
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
cuneus said:
It depends on the exact size of the vehicle. Vosa license vehicle parking for business - worth checking on the website
Seconded.As goods vehicles they may well have to take out an Operating licence with the Traffic Commisioners. If they do they have to provide details of their Operating Centre which has not to be in conflict with the environment.
Details of the various (8) Traffic Commissioner are on the web.
If they have to register then organise a petition if word of mouth does not work.
dvd
Lucas CAV said:
Dwight VanDriver said:
cuneus said:
It depends on the exact size of the vehicle. Vosa license vehicle parking for business - worth checking on the website
Seconded.As goods vehicles they may well have to take out an Operating licence with the Traffic Commisioners. If they do they have to provide details of their Operating Centre which has not to be in conflict with the environment.
Details of the various (8) Traffic Commissioner are on the web.
If they have to register then organise a petition if word of mouth does not work.
dvd
Dwight VanDriver said:
cuneus said:
It depends on the exact size of the vehicle. Vosa license vehicle parking for business - worth checking on the website
Seconded.As goods vehicles they may well have to take out an Operating licence with the Traffic Commisioners. If they do they have to provide details of their Operating Centre which has not to be in conflict with the environment.
Details of the various (8) Traffic Commissioner are on the web.
If they have to register then organise a petition if word of mouth does not work.
dvd
You may find a quiet word with the company owner will resolve this. We had a bloke who every night would come home in his company flatbed van with a car loaded on the back, quite often something expensive like an aston or a fezza. He'd park it opposite a junction in a really awkward spot about 50 yards from his house. His drive was empty as were the roads around his house.
When I asked him why it was parked there he told me (his words) ' I can park it where I like, its taxed and insured, public road and I dont like having it parked outside my house and theres nothing you can do about it so f
k off'
All I'd done was asked him politely why he parked it there !. Anyway as this vehicle had the company name and number on it I called them up and spoke to the owner who was quite surprised to find the expensive cars that had been loaded onto transports for delivery to customers were not locked up in his secure compound ready for delivering the next morning. Turns out matey boy is supposed to collect the delivery truck from the yard then take to the customer. Leaving it at the side of the road means the vehicles are un-insured etc.
Unfortunately for the bloke in question he lost his job over this. If he'd just been a bit more polite and parked it outside his own house it wouldnt have happened.
When I asked him why it was parked there he told me (his words) ' I can park it where I like, its taxed and insured, public road and I dont like having it parked outside my house and theres nothing you can do about it so f
k off'All I'd done was asked him politely why he parked it there !. Anyway as this vehicle had the company name and number on it I called them up and spoke to the owner who was quite surprised to find the expensive cars that had been loaded onto transports for delivery to customers were not locked up in his secure compound ready for delivering the next morning. Turns out matey boy is supposed to collect the delivery truck from the yard then take to the customer. Leaving it at the side of the road means the vehicles are un-insured etc.
Unfortunately for the bloke in question he lost his job over this. If he'd just been a bit more polite and parked it outside his own house it wouldnt have happened.
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding __1525 kg unladen weight__, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding __1525 kg unladen weight__, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
tvrgit said:
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
If the owners exchanged pars they wouldn't be interested in the technicality offence following a collision either I suspect.
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
If the owners exchanged pars they wouldn't be interested in the technicality offence following a collision either I suspect.
tvrgit said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
If the owners exchanged pars they wouldn't be interested in the technicality offence following a collision either I suspect.
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
If the owners exchanged pars they wouldn't be interested in the technicality offence following a collision either I suspect.
tvrgit said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
oldsoak said:
vonhosen said:
tvrgit said:
Highway Code said:
250
Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
I think any goods vehicle bigger than a small Transit (1.5 tonnes) would need to have its lights on all night...Cars, goods vehicles not exceeding 1525 kg unladen weight, invalid carriages, motorcycles and pedal cycles may be parked without lights on a road (or lay-by) with a speed limit of 30 mph (48 km/h) or less if they are
at least 10 metres (32 feet) away from any junction, close to the kerb and facing in the direction of the traffic flow
in a recognised parking place or lay-by
Other vehicles and trailers, and all vehicles with projecting loads, MUST NOT be left on a road at night without lights.
(Laws RVLR reg 24 & CUR reg 82(7))
Bet they would find the time to come out if one of the vehicles parked illegally (on a technicality) was accidentally damaged though.
If the owners exchanged pars they wouldn't be interested in the technicality offence following a collision either I suspect.
You are liable though (or quite often your household insurer is on your behalf) where others suffer loss due to your clumsiness in the street.
Edited by vonhosen on Monday 31st August 15:05
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