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E21_Ross

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got a new tv on a very good offer the other day and can only see one audio out port, and it's optical. trouble is, my surround system is fairly old, and has no optical in port. it's fine for all things scart, since i can put the yellow video cable running into the tv, and the red/white cables running in to one of the 3 or 4 audio in ports for the surround sound. kit is a technics one like this http://static.boards.ie/data/50/technics_stereo.JP...

but as said, it must be about 7 years old by now. is there any way to get them linked some how when using hdmi stuff like ps3/blu ray player? optical out and dual phono are different signals so can't imagine there being a cable with optical one end and dual phono the other....? it's half tempting to buy a cheap speaker system, as it will still be better than the tv speakers of course.

thanks in advance guys!

headcase

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What TV is it? Analogue audio out is usually available from one or more of the scart connectors (unless its an LG), simply connect a scart-phono adapter into AV1 on the TV then set the switch on the adapter to 'OUT' and run a red/white phono cable from the scart-phono adapter to your amp and job done.
If its an LG then they dont have the monitor audio function available on the scart so your buggered there.

E21_Ross

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headcase said:
What TV is it? Analogue audio out is usually available from one or more of the scart connectors (unless its an LG), simply connect a scart-phono adapter into AV1 on the TV then set the switch on the adapter to 'OUT' and run a red/white phono cable from the scart-phono adapter to your amp and job done.
If its an LG then they dont have the monitor audio function available on the scart so your buggered there.
hi,

thanks for the reply mate. tv is a samsung. trouble is i think when you have the input to HDMI, then it takes the audio from there too, and i don't think you can choose to have it through a scart port. i'll try and have a better look later or tomorrow though. i don't think there is a switch to make the scart in port into scart out (so you can have the audio leave through the phono cables) but i don't know! think it's this tv

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-LE32B550A5-32-inch...

but will double check later

Edited by E21_Ross on Saturday 2nd January 16:42

headcase

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There is no switch as such, a scart is wired for two directions in and out, now im certain that the tuner will output its audio from the scart but im not sure about any of the HDMI inputs( you would have to try it and see). What i am certain though is if you input 5.1 from a HDMI device then the TV will only output stereo from its optical, if thats good enough for you then you need one of these

http://www.lindy.co.uk/spdif-digital-to-analogue-s...

Deva Link

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As above, SCART to audio out is how I do it, using SCART AV2 on our Panasonic Plasma.

Takes a bit of fiddling in the TV menu to set the audio to o/p on AV2 and setting it to "monitor" so that it outputs whatever is showing on the screen. Not sure why, but now and again it seems to get in a muddle and it'll show a DVD on the screen but be outputting the TV sound. It's quick to correct that though.
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E21_Ross

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E21_Ross

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ah you beat me to it biggrin

found this on amazon

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DCT-3-Digital-Audio-Analog...

they sell it with optical cable for another fiver so think i might go for that smile

thanks guys! any more ideas let me know.

Ross.

headcase

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Deva Link said:
As above, SCART to audio out is how I do it, using SCART AV2 on our Panasonic Plasma.

Takes a bit of fiddling in the TV menu to set the audio to o/p on AV2 and setting it to "monitor" so that it outputs whatever is showing on the screen. Not sure why, but now and again it seems to get in a muddle and it'll show a DVD on the screen but be outputting the TV sound. It's quick to correct that though.
If you use AV1 you dont have to fiddle, its preset to monitor out wink AV2 is an optional thing and yes they do glitch once in a while. Panasonics have a Red/White phono output anyway so normally you dont have to do it via scart, the only use i found for it was with cinima kits that have a TV function that actually look at their scart connector for audio, so if you set up AV2 like you say then you get TV monitor audio when TV is selected on the cin kit.

E21_Ross said:
Yup, looks like it will do the job, id check with a scart-phono first though and they are only pennies in comparison

Edited by headcase on Saturday 2nd January 17:00

Deva Link

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headcase said:
If you use AV1 you dont have to fiddle, its preset to monitor out wink AV2 is an optional thing and yes they do glitch once in a while.
Thanks - AV1 is the only one with RGB and I wanted that for the DVD player (it's pre HDMI) input.


OP: Now re-reading your original post, are you trying to connect everything through the Technics surround-sound system, as if it was an AV Receiver?

I don't think that's normally how it's done, especially now TVs have multiple connections. Everything can be connected directly to the TV and then take stereo audio out (are you *sure* there are no output audio RCA sockets - if not use the SCART to audio cable) to the Technics unit. That will do the decode from stereo to surround sound.

Edited by Deva Link on Saturday 2nd January 17:09

headcase

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Yes if its an early one then AV1 is the only RGB input, what you got a p30? something of that era

FunkyGibbon

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According to this site your TV should have audio out anyway:

http://www.memory-express.co.uk/856808__Samsung_LE...

And the review on the Amazon site by D Deacon (pixist) confirms this.

So you should be OK with just some phono leads.

edited to add:

See page 12 of the user manual (from Samsung website)...

http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/20090...



Edited by FunkyGibbon on Saturday 2nd January 19:13

Deva Link

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with the best will in the world, the OP's question doesn't make much sense - he talks about attaching some cheap speakers so presumeably must be thinking of using the stereo RCA audio outs for those.

headcase

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It does actually make perfect sense to me but then again its kinda what i do for a living. He has an old HiFi system and wants his TV to output its sound via this amp. The problem is that it only has RCA inputs and as far as he could see hit TV only had an Optical output (but we have found out since it does indeed have an RCA output). Next problem is.. if he connects something (PS3 for example)to one of the HDMI ports then will its sound also be output from the TV's audio out so he can have his PS3 sound from the amp.

Solution 1. Was to make an RCA output using a SCART-Phono adapter

Solution 2. Use the optical out but buy a TosLink-RCA converter (£40.00)

Next Solution, Use the RCA on the TV and just see if it works.

It is a very valid point, i have come across several TV's that do not output any sound from the HDMI inputs to the RCA output, its worth noting though that they were all last years models (im thinking pana p70's and 80 but dont quote me on that i cant quite remember) and personally i havent come across anything yet of the current models that dosent.


E21_Ross

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Deva Link said:
with the best will in the world, the OP's question doesn't make much sense - he talks about attaching some cheap speakers so presumeably must be thinking of using the stereo RCA audio outs for those.
sorry if i was unclear. what i mean is:

i want to use my old but expensive hi-fi system for my sound when using my tv, whether it be through scart or HDMI inputs. the tv does not (i've double checked) have dual phono audio out, only digital/optical out. the hi-fi system does not has optical in. i said i can run scart connections with video to the tv, and the phono to the hi-fi system, although that is not the ideal way of having it all running to the tv, then the sound from the tv to the speaker system. i mentioned cheap speakers because i said i could just buy a cheap-ish speaker system with an optical in port. but now i have found a digital to analogue/dual phono converter, so i think i will buy that and have an optical cable running from the optical out port on my tv, to the optical in port of the converter, then dual phono running from the out port of the converter with those cables then running in to the audio in ports on my hi fi system. clear smile i hope so!

thanks for all the replies guys, i've double checked in the manual and this is the only way i think i can do it, i can't see any way of making the scart/AV1 sockets into an OUT port for audio whilst using HDMI inputs. double checking in the manual (which always comes second hehe ) suggests the only way to hook up external speakers is through optical out. it does say though that the tv only puts out 2 channel audio, so it would probably be better to run the optical audio cable from something like the PS3, and after the converter having it run straight into the speaker system, as the system is 5.1 surround sound.

man that was a long winded post!!

Deva Link

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E21_Ross said:
i've double checked in the manual and this is the only way i think i can do it, i can't see any way of making the scart/AV1 sockets into an OUT port for audio whilst using HDMI inputs.
headcase mentioned that too and I didn't realise that HDMI audio often can't be output. In my setup (Panny Plasma) everthing (oldish DVD player, BTVision and Wii) are looped together into one SCART socket and then the the other is used to provide audio output to the surround sound system.

FunkyGibbon

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Is there a headphone socket? If so you get get headphone to twin phono leads.

E21_Ross

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FunkyGibbon said:
Is there a headphone socket? If so you get get headphone to twin phono leads.
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