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Monday 11th January 2010

PH Fleet: Clio Renaultsport 200 Update

Smiles, miles and winter trials in the long-term PH Clio



Christmas is a tough time for any car. It will invariably involve dreary slogs along wet and/or salty motorways to visit various relatives (of the owners of the car - not the car itself), inordinately large amounts of luggage, and trundles into an icy, muddy countryside to walk dogs/elderly relatives.

For me, it is also one of the few times of the year when an ordinary three-door supermini-sized hot hatch really isn't enough. I spent the holidays last year in a long-wheelbase Land Rover Defender and that was barely big enough to hold all the Rigby gubbins. Therefore prospect of spending Christmas 2009 with the trusty PH Clio as my sole transport was worrying me somewhat. We already know that it's a fantastic thing to fling around road and track, as our summer track day sojourns in the Renaultsport Clio proved, but how would it cope with the entirely different trials and tribulations of Christmas motoring?


Fortunately our fears proved unfounded. The little Clio emerged from 973 miles of Christmas motoring having required nothing more than a litre of oil (after a little more than 8000 miles overall), a top-up of washer fluid and a gallon of fuel every 28.1 miles.

The first test in the ordeal was luggage capacity. The Renaultsport Clio was packed to the gunwales with a combination of enough luggage for 10 days away, a seemingly incalculable number of presents and, er, five gerbils in three separate cages (don't ask). It was a big ask for the Clio to swallow it all, but it managed it (just).

The next task was tackling almost a thousand miles of snowy, salty and icy motorways, A-roads and country lanes, something that actually threw the Clio slightly.


For a start, our Clio is a ratty old thing to drive before the engine and gearbox have warmed up. An obstructive shift and an inconsistent power delivery make smooth progress amazingly difficult to achieve for the first five minutes of a journey, though weather that's just our example or a more general Clio Renaultsport malady, we couldn't be sure.

Away from town, the lumpy low-speed ride becomes more pliant at higher speeds, and the Clio becomes a much more comfortable car. The optional Recaro seats hold you tight without ever playing too rough, and the handling on twisty B-roads is nothing short of a hoot. It's just a shame that the Christmas ice prevented me from chucking the Clio about with the sort of abandon that it revels in.


It has to be said, though, that the Clio Renaultsport's motorway ability is poor. Despite six ratios to use up, the short gearing still means you're north of 4000rpm on a fast motorway cruise, at which point the whole cabin vibrates (albeit ever so gently). The result is that, after a 200-mile journey on multi-laners, you're left feeling literally a bit shaken about. At motorway speeds the weedy standard-fit stereo struggles to make itself heard, too.

But these are perhaps overly harsh criticisms. We borrowed the softer, slower, more comfort-oriented Clio GT from Renault a little while back and, although you might feel a touch more relaxed and comfortable in town in the GT, you would miss the extra country-road sharpness (and power) that the Renaultsport 200 brings.


Even so, it's hard not to love the Clio, despite its numerous (minor) shortcomings. It's a near-impossible task for any car to be all things, to all men, and in all situations but, considering its Christmas performance, I reckon that the Clio gets closer to being a master of all trades than most. That it does so as a £17k hot hatch is nothing short of incredible.

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soad

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Good write-up, enjoyed it.

Some interesting motors in the background too. wink

missing the VR6

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Sorry but you say £17K!!! I thought these things were about £14K, for that money it seems very expensive for a Clio! I'm in no way questioning it's ability as a hot hatch more the price is startlingly high.

S3_Graham

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missing the VR6 said:
Sorry but you say £17K!!! I thought these things were about £14K, for that money it seems very expensive for a Clio! I'm in no way questioning it's ability as a hot hatch more the price is startlingly high.
indeed..... kind of puts the 18k for a fiat 500 into comparison.. not as expensive as first thought!

GR33NIE

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Good review, about time I went for a test drive. Agree with others though £17K is a bit steep, should be decently priced used though in a year or so smile

Edited by GR33NIE on Monday 11th January 14:21

BertBert

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ordinary boring car in "put stuff in it and drive it somewhere" shocker? What a nonsense article. And all for 17k. rolleyes
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missing the VR6

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S3_Graham said:
missing the VR6 said:
Sorry but you say £17K!!! I thought these things were about £14K, for that money it seems very expensive for a Clio! I'm in no way questioning it's ability as a hot hatch more the price is startlingly high.
indeed..... kind of puts the 18k for a fiat 500 into comparison.. not as expensive as first thought!
Wow!!! That might be the most ridiculous thing of 2010, Fiat 500 £18K.
Thank god for fashion victim idiots with too much money to waste on a tiny overpriced rehash of a budget Panda!

Wayne King

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If the new 'sporty' Alfa Mito is going to be £18k and this is £17k, makes the Clio look good value. But even the Clio is expensive really, and that just makes the Mito look even more ridiclously expensive.

Edited by Wayne King on Monday 11th January 15:11


Edited by Wayne King on Monday 11th January 15:12

A Scotsman

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I have a 182 with Cup suspension...... Bought it 2nd hand having done 18k miles for just under £8k.. It's immaculate and in terms of performance is as close to the 200 as to not mattering a damn.

Moral of the story is that u should never buy a new 200. Wait for a couple of years and go buy a used one. Much better value for money.

I'd also be somewhat concerned if mine used a litre of oil like that. I haven't had to put in a drop for nine months!

S3_Graham

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Wayne King said:
If the new 'sporty' Fiat 500 is going to be £18k and this is £17k, makes the Clio look good value. But even the Clio is expensive really, and that just makes the 500 look even more ridiclously expensive.
dont get me wrong i wasnt saying the 500 is good value.. it just shows.... thats the kind of money makers are after for the hot versions these days... its shocking!!

GR33NIE

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A Scotsman said:
I have a 182 with Cup suspension...... Bought it 2nd hand having done 18k miles for just under £8k.. It's immaculate and in terms of performance is as close to the 200 as to not mattering a damn.

Moral of the story is that u should never buy a new 200. Wait for a couple of years and go buy a used one. Much better value for money.

I'd also be somewhat concerned if mine used a litre of oil like that. I haven't had to put in a drop for nine months!
Gotta agree with that, the 182 can't be far behind. I've always fancied a Trophy biggrin

stormrider2

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S3_Graham said:
missing the VR6 said:
Sorry but you say £17K!!! I thought these things were about £14K, for that money it seems very expensive for a Clio! I'm in no way questioning it's ability as a hot hatch more the price is startlingly high.
indeed..... kind of puts the 18k for a fiat 500 into comparison.. not as expensive as first thought!
what 500 is 18k? the abarth is 12-13k and the esseesse is nearer 15k as far as i know.

Wayne King

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stormrider2 said:
what 500 is 18k? the abarth is 12-13k and the esseesse is nearer 15k as far as i know.
Ignore me here, making an utter fool of myself by not paying attention banghead

Edited by Wayne King on Monday 11th January 15:10

Wayne King

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stormrider2 said:
what 500 is 18k? the abarth is 12-13k and the esseesse is nearer 15k as far as i know.
Ignore me here, making an utter fool of myself by not paying attention banghead

Edited by Wayne King on Monday 11th January 15:10

eightseventhree

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erm . . . thats an Alfa

And that Alfa is based upon the Punto platform not 500

Edited by eightseventhree on Monday 11th January 15:06

Wayne King

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eightseventhree said:
erm . . . thats an Alfa

And that Alfa is based upon the Punto platform not 500

Edited by eightseventhree on Monday 11th January 15:06


Ooo st the bed, my mistake there. I got completely muddled up with the Alfa and Fiat. Ignore my comments!!

frankthesurf

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Errm sure I saw Clio 200 new at one dealer for £12995 poss pre reg??? Arnold Clarke?

NoelWatson

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Errm sure I saw Clio 200 new at one dealer for £12995 poss pre reg??? Arnold Clarke?
Would be interested if you find who was offering as I am thinking of buying one as a track toy.

CO2000

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NoelWatson said:
frankthesurf said:
Errm sure I saw Clio 200 new at one dealer for £12995 poss pre reg??? Arnold Clarke?
Would be interested if you find who was offering as I am thinking of buying one as a track toy.
Perry's ?

iggletiggle

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pistonheads new cars giving 14% now .. that does look too shabby !

Mclovin

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whats this one like compared to the old 182....?
i test drove the old 182 and just couldnt work out what the fuss is about, ghastly car in everyway...how someone could interpret it as a drivers car is beyond reproach...
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