1998 XJ8 "The Nikasil problem"

1998 XJ8 "The Nikasil problem"

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roger94503

Original Poster:

3 posts

243 months

Friday 6th February 2004
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In 1998 the engine bores had Nikasil linings. The Nikasil was vulnerable to erosion by the sulphur in petrol!

Jaguar recognised this as a problem and have been replacing engines up to 5 yesrs old, or less than 100K miles (whichever earlier).

I noticed heavy oil usage by my car during its 4th year, but then it had to go into storage for a year and was at its 5th anniversary when I got it back (it has done 86,000 miles. During the last 5 months (12,000 miles) I have had to put 8 litres of oil in it (it may have needed more but was refilled on a service). I contacted Jaguar who suggested I go to the dealer for a "blow-by test".
Did this last week and the dealer said it scored 18 which is not a fail - but he also said he could hear that the engine had significant wear and the only solution would be to replace the engine (at a cost of £6,530 fitted) - or keep putting lots of oil in it.
I'm shocked that the engine is knackered at 86,000 (and had started guzzling oil from about 50,000)

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

Geoff

bobfrance

1,323 posts

268 months

Friday 6th February 2004
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Sorry to hear about your problem Roger.

Although I don't own a V8 Jag, I have been told by my Independent Jag Specialist that Jaguar no longer replace nikasil engines free of charge - not that they liked anybody knowing they did in the first place.

However if you can find a good independant (or don't mind shipping it up to mine) you can get your own engine re-sleeved for considerabley less then £6K.

NB. I believe a good quick check for this problem is to pop the air filters out to see if they are covered in oil/petrol.

roger94503

Original Poster:

3 posts

243 months

Friday 6th February 2004
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thanks for the prompt response Bob, how good is 're-sleeving'? I'm not too technical.

Geoff

bobfrance

1,323 posts

268 months

Monday 9th February 2004
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No problem Roger.

After talking to my mechanic (the Jag Specialist) about your problem, he tells me that if the car has under 100K on the clock and has a full Jaguar service history (and you know the right people to talk to) you can still get a free replacement engine.

Bloodworm

1 posts

242 months

Sunday 21st March 2004
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Bobfrance,
Is this "engine replacement policy" up to 100000 miles only good in Europe or do I have any recourse here in the states?

a10enw

5 posts

258 months

Sunday 11th April 2004
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Who are 'the right people to talk to?'

Reckless Rupert

4 posts

241 months

Thursday 29th April 2004
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I've got a 98 XJRV8 with no oil use problem. Mileage currently 72,000. Should I be worried?

Pettsie

354 posts

258 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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I am seriously considering an XJ8 sport 98/99. Was this problem only found on 1998 engines?

FourWheelDrift

88,557 posts

285 months

Monday 3rd May 2004
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IIRC 1997 & 1998 V8 engines, early ones.

I think they sorted it after that.

deejay66

3 posts

249 months

Tuesday 4th May 2004
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I had a 1998 XJR V8 seize last year after 50,000 miles due to this. It was off the road for 2 months while we argued about cost etc and the 3rd dealer I tried changed it for free saying he thought Jag had an obligation to do this and they charge Jag anyway. The first dealer ( service receptionist !!!! ) said it was my fault for not checking the oil although it was serviced 1000 miles before breaking down , charged me £200 for the fault diagnosis and said there was nothing they could do. Also timing chain adjusters are notorious in these engines, snapping and bits potentially causing a lot of damage.
Again Jaguar are not interested.

Later engines just have cast iron liners and the same thing afflicts BMW V8s.

The only thing I can say is that if you find the right service manager they can be very good but generally absolute rubbish.

Car was fantastic but how can they deny that such a basic fault is their problem. Cylinders that crack when exposed to petrol - you could not make it up !!

I would not buy a 1998 V8 Jag that had not had its engine changed.

Pettsie

354 posts

258 months

Saturday 8th May 2004
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Sound like excellent advice. I think it will either be one that's been replaced or a 99 car.

vegnomeat

3 posts

236 months

Friday 17th September 2004
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As far as I am aware, September 99 was the change over to steel linings.

A blow test of over 40 LPM is the point at which the engine will be changed. Then only if the car is less than 5 years old and has less than 100,000 miles recorded.

My XK8 at 54,000 miles had a reading of 19 LPM.

The document you need to see is S491V6 or S491V5, this is a service action.

I would be more worried about your timing chain tensioners at your mileage if they haven't been changed. See Technical service bulletin 303-30.

Good luck

Wayne

bobfrance

1,323 posts

268 months

Saturday 18th September 2004
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Good info there Vegnomeat.

That's what my specialist said to me - I just couldn't remember the details (they went clean over my head).

mhale

53 posts

237 months

Sunday 19th September 2004
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as i looking for a xjr, if i buy a ( 99, t reg ) does that mean this will have the steel engine or will it have the nikasil one?

thanks

mark

jas xjr

11,309 posts

240 months

Sunday 19th September 2004
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i have a 99 t reg. it has a replacement engine,so obviously the 99's are nikasil lined unless they have been replaced. when i was looking for one i only considered cars which had a new engine,there are plenty about.good luck

jas xjr

11,309 posts

240 months

Sunday 19th September 2004
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take a look a this one,should have the steel liners,but you can check the chassis number to confirm,
2000 X Reg JAGUAR XJR 4.0 V8
4 Doors, Automatic, Saloon, Petrol, 87,000 miles, Metallic Silver. Air Bag, Air-Conditioning, Anti-Lock Brakes, Black leather, CD Player, Central Door Locking, Clock, Electric Adjustable Mirror, Electric Seats, Front Fog Lights, Full Dealer Facilities Available, Fully Valeted, Leather Steering Wheel, Power-Assisted Steering, RAC INSPECTED, Service History, Traction Control System, ABS, CD Multichanger, Climate Control, Computer, Electric windows, Multi function steering wheel, Traction control. Click dealer button for stock list £14,000.

FLC YiewsleyDealer's Website Dealer's Location
Tel: 01895 444626

Distance: 98 miles
Price: £14,000

avos

115 posts

246 months

Sunday 19th September 2004
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In bulletin 491V6, it clearly states that Jaguar switched away from Nikasil September 2000! (Also confirmed as no type by Jagaur).

I have a XKR, build June 2000, and I have inquired many different people within Jaguar, and have a official confirmation that I have Nikasil liners.

avos

115 posts

246 months

Sunday 19th September 2004
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Typo, text should be

(Also confirmed as 'no typo' by Jaguar).