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AshleyPatience

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239 posts

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Hi,

I hope that some of you guys, being more knowledgeable that me, can offer some advice on buying a Maserati 4200.

I currently have a Porsche 987 S (new shape Boxster) but generally change cars every 12 months. I have a budget of around £18-£20k and was recently at Auto Sportiva in Tonbridge Wells where they have a range of 4200's that fit the budget. Looks, luxury and Ferrari V8 are all appealing.

I have heard a few horror stories and there is even a 4200 on Autotrader at the moment that is "boasting" a new engine that went in at 40,000.00. How can this be a good thing??

I am getting really mixed opinion from the people a have spoken to, ranging from my former boss who has owned 4 and now has a Gran Turismo to people who have known them to have nothing but problems.

I know that servicing and a potential clutch could be pricey but am prepared for that. I just don't want to buy a car that will spend more time in the garage than on the road.

Any help / advice / experience / buying tips will be much appreciated. Thanks in anticipation.

Ashley

AshleyPatience

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CraigW

12,107 posts

151 months

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try www.maseratiforum.com (or maybe .co.uk), loads of info there, also search on here, been discussed loads. good luck.

rs48635

544 posts

83 months

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AshleyPatience said:
Hi,

I hope that some of you guys, being more knowledgeable that me, can offer some advice on buying a Maserati 4200.

I currently have a Porsche 987 S (new shape Boxster) but generally change cars every 12 months. I have a budget of around £18-£20k and was recently at Auto Sportiva in Tonbridge Wells where they have a range of 4200's that fit the budget. Looks, luxury and Ferrari V8 are all appealing.

I have heard a few horror stories and there is even a 4200 on Autotrader at the moment that is "boasting" a new engine that went in at 40,000.00. How can this be a good thing??

I am getting really mixed opinion from the people a have spoken to, ranging from my former boss who has owned 4 and now has a Gran Turismo to people who have known them to have nothing but problems.

I know that servicing and a potential clutch could be pricey but am prepared for that. I just don't want to buy a car that will spend more time in the garage than on the road.

Any help / advice / experience / buying tips will be much appreciated. Thanks in anticipation.

Ashley
Porsche with water cooled porsches never need new engines.
Porous nikasil/Alusil cylinders, cracked blocks, leaking rear main seals (RMS). Ring any bells?

All Japanese cars run forever without a murmur.
Oh hang on, sticking at full throttle, possible 1,000,000 cars recalled.......... Toyota?

Not much evidence of Maserati engine failures at all, especially the 4200. There can be issues with "end float" on 3200 engines. Do some research on maserati forums and talk to some specialists. Get a good PPI and you will never look back.


Mario149

3,248 posts

47 months

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I wrote some stuff about my experiences/thoughts here if it's any help...

http://www.pistonheads.com/GASSING/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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AshleyPatience

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239 posts

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Mario, thank-you for pointing me towards your write-up in the other thread - very helpful.

I am going to test drive on Saturday but am now worried that the car is Pre-2003, and so will have the older g'box and suspension software that attracted the poor reviews from Evo...

Maybe I need to wait and find a later car, 2004 onwards. Or just keep the Porsche for a little longer?

Mario149

3,248 posts

47 months

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AshleyPatience said:
Mario, thank-you for pointing me towards your write-up in the other thread - very helpful.

I am going to test drive on Saturday but am now worried that the car is Pre-2003, and so will have the older g'box and suspension software that attracted the poor reviews from Evo...

Maybe I need to wait and find a later car, 2004 onwards. Or just keep the Porsche for a little longer?
No problem at all, glad it was at least a bit useful.

I can only speak from personal experience and say that for me, the pre-2003 CC gearbox was a deal breaker. But obviously there are quite a few people out there who don't mind it as they've bought one! It really is each to his own I suspect. Living in town means you notice it more, as I've said before it takes me 15 mins to get onto vaguely open road so it's much exacerbated for me. Also bear in mind that it is, IMO, no way a sports car - don't be fooled by the sport button/skyhook suspension etc. It's a beautiful Italian GT that they've stuck an epic V8 into (it really is by far the best part of the car, until you see your mpg..), that can do a bit of the sporty stuff as a nod in the right direction. But don't think the MSP will help too much if you are doing the sporty-ish stuff either: I could spin up the rears changing from 2nd to 3rd on a damp road with it on! Anyway, I digress. Coming out of a Boxster I suspect it'll feel painfully inadequate compared to what you're used to unless ou're booting it in a straight line in which case you'll be grinning ear to ear with the V8 singing to you! Which is fine as long as you're after a change in that direction.

TBH, I'm glad I owned the Maser, and I don't regret it, but they just are horrifically expensive to run given that they are supposed to be every day useable cars (I'm currently trying to get a Fezza F355, so higher running costs, but more special which makes up for it). I'm like you and tend to change cars once a year or so (hoping to put a stop to that with the F355) - you only have to look at my profile to see how much the Maser cost me to run, depreciation over one year was rather large, and mine was still absolutely mint when I sold it. In an ideal world, I'd hold onto the Boxster for a while longer of you could, then scratch the Maser itch with a Gransport - a 4200 with every problem fixed - if you could stretch to one. That is a car I would be very happy to own, even over something like a Fezza 456!

AshleyPatience

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239 posts

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Mario,

Once again, words of wisdom that support what i've heard from people I know who have owned them. To be honest, with the GranSport i'd need at least £27-£29k to start looking properly, which at the moment is almost £10k out of reach, and I just don't like having finance on a car.

Maybe your right, hold onto the boxster for a while and keep saving ... my car is holding its money and as I bought at the height of the recession has actually gone up in Value!

If I bought a Maserati for £18-£20k tomorrow, there is chance i'll loose £4k before i've even spent anything on it.

Anyone have any ideas on an upgrade from the 987 Boxster S (can be older) for around the £20k mark?

Colossus

245 posts

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I think Mario has hit it on the head, you are likely to be disappointed with the handling of a 4200 coming from a Boxter. I ran my '03 for nearly 3 years and it was incredibly reliable and as a proper manual did not have any of the F1 and software issues that came with the earlier CC cars. Having said that, I suspect you would over look the lack of handling sophistication (it actually is not that bad in normal daily use) because it will give you a much better overall driving experience, that V8 engine is simply amazing and puts a grin on your face every time you fire it up.

If you do decide to go for one and I suspect now is not a bad time to take the plunge, make sure it has been regularly driven. Many of the problems and issues can be traced back to lack of use, these cars absolutely thrive on being driven. Whilst they may be more expensive to maintain than a Porsche it does not have to be much more if a good independant is used and the whole ownership experience will be at a completely different level. Best of luck

AshleyPatience

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239 posts

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So I went along for the test drive firmly believing that I was just going to be 'informing' myself about all this talk of gearboxes and suspension, and that surely there was only a 10% chance that I would actually end up buying it ... and then there was the Ferrari V8

The car went like a dream, all the stuff about the gearbox was true! Full throttle upshifts are neck-breaking, but I love it!!! It adds character! And i'm not going to pretend to be a suspension expert and haven't driven german comparables but the car seemed to handle fine.

I've given myself some comfort with a good 12 month warranty, and two common faults with the 4200 (heater box and wiper assembly) have both been addressed by the previous owner (who I spoke with on the phone for half hour - mobile number left in service history).

And now I have to wait for a week to pick it up and can't sleep!

Mario149

3,248 posts

47 months

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Top stuff, you're going to have a lot of fun it sounds like! First on your list of todos should be to take it on a European road trip, it's exactly what these cars are for. Find a nice stretch of motorway, and where safe and legal to do so, open her up. The rate at which these cars can gather pace even well into three figures is something to be experienced as soon as possible! And the noise, oh dear god the noise biggrin

Colossus

245 posts

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Congratulations! I was exactly the same when I first test drove my 4200, bought it there and then. As Mario says, European road trip is a must and you will get admiring looks where ever you go. Enjoy!

andymadmak

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AshleyPatience said:
And now I have to wait for a week to pick it up and can't sleep!
Picked my spyder up on saturday. Oh wow! This week will go slowly for you!

Andy

AshleyPatience

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239 posts

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Very slow indeed ... still 4 days at work to go. I was however able to kill some time on Saturday carefully selecting some new polishing products ready for Sunday morning after a full Saturday of driving.

I've booked a trip to the lake district for the following week so I see what the car really goes like on a good A-Road. Any recommended routes up from London, not really wanting to sit on the M1 the entire journey ... zzzzz

allgonepetetong

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Update please!!!!

Pulse

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87 months

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Yep, update please!

Luke.

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How's it going with the 4200? Just seen a lovely one at ADG and now thinking evil thoughts.

P101

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Luke. said:
How's it going with the 4200? Just seen a lovely one at ADG and now thinking evil thoughts.
I bought a 4200 from ADG. There are lots of other places to buy a 4200.

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