RE: SOTW: Citroen AX GT-5/TVR S2

RE: SOTW: Citroen AX GT-5/TVR S2

Friday 5th February 2010

SOTW: Citroen AX GT-5/TVR S2

Its all about underdogs this week, as Shed falls for a gallic go-kart and a tatty Trevor



Working with SOTW's miniscule budget sometimes forces you to consider some rather offbeat choices. A Citroen AX GTI, though it isn't everybody's cup of tea, would arguably make a fun car for a grand - but sadly most of them have been crashed or chavved to the hilt by now, and many of the dwindling number of unmodified survivors are now 'collectors items', bringing their value just above the SOTW £1k threshold.

But there is another way. The AX GT was not to the AX GTI what the Saxo VTR would be to the VTS. Though the two were briefly produced together, the AX GT was really the GTI's predecessor. And if we can completely ignore 'underdog syndrome' for a moment, consider the facts: the little GT had a lighter aluminum version of the 1.4-litre 8-valve engine found in the GTI (the same also found in the Pug 205 XS at the time), and its 15bhp deficit (85bhp in total) isn't so bad when you consider that the GT weighed over 70kg less than its replacement.

And speaking of weight, at just 722kg the GT had a power-to-weight ratio of 118bhp per ton - almost exactly the same as a Mazda MX5 from the same year. That's not to say it's a roaring beast (0-60mph takes 9.2secs and it's all-out at 110mph), but the single Solex carb-fed four-cylinder unit must have been great fun, with peak power not coming until 6500rpm. And although we'd never encourage the sorts of modifications that people abuse these cars with, the AX's tuneability is famous, and some gentle tweaking to this very simple car would pay dividends for sure.


I remember watching a tacky American Police car chase programme a few years ago, and hearing the narrator exclaim that "On these winding streets, the cops' powerful cruiser is no match for the agile European car". And what was this 'agile' Eurobox aiding the savvy perp's getaway? You guessed it - a Citroen AX, looking glorious in 'old fridge' white. The willing chassis is famous, and promises many "sacrebleu!" moments for an owner who won't need to be too careful with a car they've paid Shed money for, and that reportedly costs peanuts to fix.

The GT is getting pretty rare these days, and this particular example is the even-rarer 5-door variant (hence 'GT-5'). The bodywork looks nice and tidy, even if the now-tatty-once-lovely period alloys let it down a bit, and the sharply geometric '80s shape is beginning to look good again. But this car's real trump card is the interior, which looks terrific, with its neat red highlights and sports seats with intact bolsters (we rang the dealer about the plastic bag on the driver's seat - apparently they do this after valeting and the seat is fine).


We're not suggesting that this is the very best way to spend a grand (heck, it may not even be the very best way to spend the £699 list price). But it certainly does look like a lark, and there's bound to be some wiggle-room in that price. There's a fresh MOT, but no tax. This could offer some very cheap fun, and you could sell it a few months down the line for at least the same amount you paid for it. Shed-errific.

And now for something completely different...

Shed loves variety, so this week we thought we'd bring you an extra SOTW, in the form of something distinctly less sensible. (you mean less sensible than an ageing French hatchback that could crumble at the mere site of a pothole?- Riggers.)


This TVR S2 is coming up for auction on the 9th February at Barons auction house in Esher, with an estimate of just £800 - £1500. The car has been in storage for three years and apparently needs 'cosmetic attention' and a new gearbox, so its a restoration project rather than a drive-away shed - but it does demonstrate that you could conceivably end up with a working TVR for very little money if you're willing to do the leg work.

The 2.9-litre V6 from the Ford Sierra wasn't massively powerful at 168bhp, but the fibreglass-bodied car only weighed 987kgs, so it was no slouch. 0-60mph is said to have taken around seven seconds, but as an S-series fansite proudly reminds us: "No two TVRs are the same - except they always break down."

Ad for Citroen reads:

Citroen AX GT-5 = Rare 5 Door!
1.4 8v Cheap tax and insurance
Exellent condition inside and out for the year
Very solid tidy bodywork
Exellent original interior very clean with no rips or tears. Carpet in exellent condition.
New disks and pads.and radiator
The front number plate is only missing due it a replacement being orders as it was crackedWill come with 12 months MOT No Tax can be taxed at buyers cost.
Any inspection welcome
Electric windows and central locking
Ideal sporty first car.
I true classic thats only going to go up in value i know how rare the 3 doors are never mind a 5 door
Can be delivered anywhere at buyers cost
£699

Ad for TVR reads:

This TVR S2 has been in the vendors care for 10 years and has been stored for the past three years. It requires cosmetic restoration and a rebuild or replacement gearbox. It is said to be mechanically good, apart from the gearbox and the electric's are said to have been sorted.

Finished in blue with cream leather the car is equipped with the Ford 2.9 V6 engine and a 5-speed, manual transmission. It sits on alloy road wheels. The car is said to have covered just 80,000, warranted miles.

This TVR is sold as a restoration project and will require to be transported away.

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redstu

Original Poster:

2,287 posts

239 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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oooh a cheap TVR, I could spend a lot on that!

CampDavid

9,145 posts

198 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Will anyone be heading down to Barons for this? I must confess, I'm tempted by the W124 Merc lots

The AX GT is awesome. A couple of mates bought the GTI and took it to the ring. the rear beam had a pretty epic fail through the fox hole I believe causing them tom spin on the exit. Amazingly they didn't hit anyhing

Podie

46,630 posts

275 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Good mate of mine had an AX GT 5 door. The car was completely stripped and rebuilt, after which is was relatively solid hehe

Good fun little gokart smile

useyourdellusion

5,648 posts

190 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Ah the AXgt. A friend of mine had one from new in '89. Great fun! He drove it 10/10ths everywhere and it just lapped it up! Good SOTW.

G0ldfysh

3,304 posts

257 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Damn shame the AX GT is bit of a trek away would seriously have a look at that, as a second car.

Had one as first hot hatch years ago fond memories of a car giving good fuel economy while happily cornering on 3 wheels would mean definitely buy another one.

Art_Vandelay

6,689 posts

184 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Very close to me, I'd love to take a punt on it if I had £700 going spare.

Very cool car.

Greg 172

233 posts

201 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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My god! That's exactly what I had as my first hot hatch - same clour, five door. Rapid! (or it seemed it at the time....)

OnTheOverrun

3,965 posts

177 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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I bought an AX GT new in 1989, trading in a two year old Renault 5 GT Turbo. Everyone thought I was mad. The GT had the best B-road chassis I've ever driven. It had endless, perfectly damped suspension travel and was impossible to bottom out. Contemporary mags rated it at 8.5 seconds to sixty and it always felt nearly as fast as the Five due to instant response and ultra-low gearing. In-gear performance was particularly satisfying, especially when combined with a guaranteed minimum of 42mpg however you drove it. How it managed to outgrip the fat-tyred Renault on it's spindly grandma spec 155 section Michelin MXL's I'll never know. smile

soad

32,894 posts

176 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Now that's a shed if i ever saw one.

Dashboard not aged well, did it? Seats look grippy enough.

Do like the S2, even as a restoration project.

snotrag

14,457 posts

211 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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The TVR would be a bit of a moneypit I imagine - not slating it, cos I really love the S (fancy one after my MX5 next year maybe) but it will need a body off chassis rescue for sure.


The AX though - Ye gods I really really like that. In fact, if they were a bit nearer id be tempted to go up and see if they'd swap it for my old Battle bus Audi.

The AX was so lightweight, they even used 3 stud wheels, didnt they? It was designed from the offset as an exercise in lightweight and economical manufacture, extra thing panels and glass and such like. Really cool.

Wedgi

24 posts

182 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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These are fantastic little cars - I had one from new in 1990 in the same colour, but 3 door. Went everywhere in it at rapid pace (once it had warmed up -manual choke)including a memorable trip around France - there were bottle holders in each door which held a big bottle of water or a decent Chablis... very French. I personally much prefer the look of the 3 door. Maybe I should go back in time and consider a purchase!

brutepower

26 posts

212 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Probably best to steer clear of the cheap TVR.
I bought an M series for around £1k and it needed new: chassis, engine, diff, exhaust, interior.
It did however look really good.

clonmult

10,529 posts

209 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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brutepower said:
Probably best to steer clear of the cheap TVR.
I bought an M series for around £1k and it needed new: chassis, engine, diff, exhaust, interior.
It did however look really good.
So you basically bought 4 wheels for £1k, virtually everything else was changed????

traffman

2,263 posts

209 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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I owned a lovely white Ax Gt 3 door in the mid nineties.

Loved it , the clocks were tiny so i never bothered about how fast i was going.

Loved that car i paid 3495 for it!

Oh H68 csp where are you now.

Logie

835 posts

216 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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I used to have a red AXGT5. Was a good laugh, had a 4-2-1 into a straight through exhaust. Racing spax (way to hard, car started breaking up it was so stiff!).

Remember having it on a track day, flew up to 100 MPH, soon as it hit 100MPH that was about it smile

Greg 172

233 posts

201 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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snotrag said:
The AX was so lightweight, they even used 3 stud wheels, didnt they? It was designed from the offset as an exercise in lightweight and economical manufacture, extra thing panels and glass and such like. Really cool.
Yeah, 3 stud wheels, single windscreen wiper, thin glass, weird sagging canvas-type parcel shelf, plastic tailgate bolted straight to the glass. And tin foil bodywork.

Edited by Greg 172 on Friday 5th February 12:51

rossub

4,442 posts

190 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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traffman said:
I owned a lovely white Ax Gt 3 door in the mid nineties.

Loved it , the clocks were tiny so i never bothered about how fast i was going.

Loved that car i paid 3495 for it!

Oh H68 csp where are you now.
Passed away in 2006 by the look of it and not a bad innings considering:


The enquiry is complete

The vehicle details for H68 CSP are:

Date of Liability 01 04 2006
Date of First Registration 03 09 1990
Year of Manufacture 1990
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1360CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval

Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £68.75
12 Months Rate £125.00

Chris71

21,536 posts

242 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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I seem to spend half my life defending the ownership prospect of older TVRs, but I do think you'd be a brave man to take a £1k example on as a project. There are simply too many good ones for not a lot more (and potentially less) than you'd spend restoring it.

Frimley111R

15,661 posts

234 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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rossub said:
traffman said:
I owned a lovely white Ax Gt 3 door in the mid nineties.

Loved it , the clocks were tiny so i never bothered about how fast i was going.

Loved that car i paid 3495 for it!

Oh H68 csp where are you now.
Passed away in 2006 by the look of it and not a bad innings considering:


The enquiry is complete

The vehicle details for H68 CSP are:

Date of Liability 01 04 2006
Date of First Registration 03 09 1990
Year of Manufacture 1990
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 1360CC
CO2 Emissions Not Available
Fuel Type Petrol
Export Marker Not Applicable
Vehicle Status Unlicensed
Vehicle Colour WHITE
Vehicle Type Approval

Vehicle Excise Duty Rate for vehicle
6 Months Rate £68.75
12 Months Rate £125.00
Where did you find that out?

Rollcage

11,327 posts

192 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Some tuners in the late 80s did amazing things with AX GTs - I can remember one passing me at warp speed once, hotly pursued by a 205 Gti 1.9 with a little Turbo Technics badge on it. The AX seemed to be pulling away, and I had no chance of catching up - I only had a 5 GT Turbo at the time!

This was all while spectating on the RAC Rally - those really were the days!