Cayenne V6 or V8 for circa £17k?
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Am thinking of changing wifeys CR-V for a Cayenne as I'd like her to have a car I might want to drive on occasion! Have seen some 50k mile 2006 V6s or some 60k mile 2004 V8s within budget, but is there anything in particular I should look out for.
What sort of running costs should I budget for (the CR-V gives about 26mpg and costs bugger all to service so I am not expecting quite the same with a Cayenne!)?
My head say's the V6, but as the annual mileage will only be about 10k, my heart tells me that the V8 will be a much more enjoyable ownership experience!
Yes I know it isn't a proper Porsche and fully intend to get a 997 as soon as I have the means, but all useful input greatly appreciated!
What sort of running costs should I budget for (the CR-V gives about 26mpg and costs bugger all to service so I am not expecting quite the same with a Cayenne!)?
My head say's the V6, but as the annual mileage will only be about 10k, my heart tells me that the V8 will be a much more enjoyable ownership experience!
Yes I know it isn't a proper Porsche and fully intend to get a 997 as soon as I have the means, but all useful input greatly appreciated!
hughjayteens said:
Am thinking of changing wifeys CR-V for a Cayenne as I'd like her to have a car I might want to drive on occasion! Have seen some 50k mile 2006 V6s or some 60k mile 2004 V8s within budget, but is there anything in particular I should look out for.
What sort of running costs should I budget for (the CR-V gives about 26mpg and costs bugger all to service so I am not expecting quite the same with a Cayenne!)?
My head say's the V6, but as the annual mileage will only be about 10k, my heart tells me that the V8 will be a much more enjoyable ownership experience!
Yes I know it isn't a proper Porsche and fully intend to get a 997 as soon as I have the means, but all useful input greatly appreciated!
where to start, firstly let me say that I have had mine for 5 years and am on a whole very happy with it.What sort of running costs should I budget for (the CR-V gives about 26mpg and costs bugger all to service so I am not expecting quite the same with a Cayenne!)?
My head say's the V6, but as the annual mileage will only be about 10k, my heart tells me that the V8 will be a much more enjoyable ownership experience!
Yes I know it isn't a proper Porsche and fully intend to get a 997 as soon as I have the means, but all useful input greatly appreciated!
I have a 2003 4.5V8 which I bought when my wife became pregnant, I have only covered 39K miles in mine but have gone to Italy and back in what I can only describe as Business Class comfort.
I actually like the looks and think it has the Lancia Delta/Alfa 155 So uglyit looks good about it.
Ownership, firstly these do not cost as much to run as you would think. £650 for a service every 36 moths isn't bad i think. If I shop around I can get cheaper tyres for the Cayenne than my 5series with Run Flats.
The big question you should ask yourself is can i live with 13mpg, this is the worst case scenario for me and it costs between £80-100 a week to run. I have a deisel 5 series as a workhorse and use the Cayenne when the weather is bad or I just fancy something a bit more comfy.
The car does feel quicks and aside from the M/AMG/RS types you will keep up and beat most things even round corners!!
I had mine against a Phaeton V12 and CLK AMG in Germany and I wasn't as far back as you would imagine. I'm torn about selling mine or not, on the one had it doesn't makes sense for me to to own it but on the other when the weather was as bad as this year I want to keep it.
Edited by Maxheadroom on Friday 19th February 08:18
Edited by Maxheadroom on Friday 19th February 08:20
Let me Devils advocat here as responses have been a bit too positive in my opinion.
Coming from junior SUV(Honda)with Focus type servicing/maintenence costs?. Be prepared for at least double if not triple the running costs minimum. Service,MPG,Maintenence is of Porsche 911 level. Dont let its VW roots fool you into thinking its a cheap car to run. Family member has a V6 and it averages 18mpg on a good day, tyres are an expense if you are planning to do 10k miles a year(Not sure what the issue is with them but she once got 5k miles out of a set???)
As for having fun? I dont think anyone should be buying an SUV for fun reasons unless they go off-roading. I have heard the Turbo Cayenne is a hoot but the size and weight of the thing doesnt lie. I think there is a reason why the markets full of them at such low prices.
Coming from junior SUV(Honda)with Focus type servicing/maintenence costs?. Be prepared for at least double if not triple the running costs minimum. Service,MPG,Maintenence is of Porsche 911 level. Dont let its VW roots fool you into thinking its a cheap car to run. Family member has a V6 and it averages 18mpg on a good day, tyres are an expense if you are planning to do 10k miles a year(Not sure what the issue is with them but she once got 5k miles out of a set???)
As for having fun? I dont think anyone should be buying an SUV for fun reasons unless they go off-roading. I have heard the Turbo Cayenne is a hoot but the size and weight of the thing doesnt lie. I think there is a reason why the markets full of them at such low prices.
One Trick Pony said:
If you enjoy being hated more than BMW drivers, buy a Cayenne. If you don't, buy a 3.0TDI Touareg. 
yawn...I get let out at junctions, have no probs at all in it, and it can even do corners. The tedious inverted snobbery of the inferior Toerag brigate is very tiresome.
Servicing costs are potentially high though. Things like coil packs don't seem to last all that long etc. I've spent a lot on my Ruf Turbo Cayenne getting it into top shape having bought it with a few probs. Of course having done that, it should run fine for ages now as I was having to clear a backlog of stuff the previous owner hadn't.
DanH said:
...The tedious inverted snobbery of the inferior Toerag brigate is very tiresome....
The Touareg owner's I know don't feel that way, they feel a little smug that they chose the better looking, less brash and understated runt of the litter!Porsche originally punted the Cayenne as the true sports SUV, then they stuck the VW Group diesel lump in it!
Loads of Cayennes and the like round my way so am not concerned about what people think (we are more likely to get a downwards glance in the CR-V to be honest!). Also not convinced the running costs would be triple, as the CR-V averages 26mpg (has to be thrashed to get anywhere) and needs an annual service at circa £250, from what I have been told, I could expect 18mpg ish from a Cayenne and it has a 2 year service interval at about £450. Obviously things like coil packs could be costly, but that is always a risk with a car out of warranty and there is plenty of decent indies within easy reach.
Not sure how a car can eat tyres in 5k miles unless the geometry was out - an old customer whom I have emailed gets 20,000 from a set on his 4.5 S (and averages 22mpg).
LPG would be an interesting option - how much does a decent kit cost?
Not sure how a car can eat tyres in 5k miles unless the geometry was out - an old customer whom I have emailed gets 20,000 from a set on his 4.5 S (and averages 22mpg).
LPG would be an interesting option - how much does a decent kit cost?
you'll be having to do long runs to get 18mpg. We get more like 13-15 on short runs in town etc although mines obviously modified. Apparently v8 and turbo consumption very similar whereas v6 can actually be worse as you have to thrash it to get it moving.
I am sure it will cost a lot more to run than the CRV. Tyres are expensive, the coil packs are several hundred quid. I needed a new battery which was 400 IIRC (its a special and very large one that has to fit into a special box under the seat). You get the picture... These are 40k+ cars from Porsche. They are guaranteed to cost more to run than a CRV. For me its worth it. Don't kid yourself it won't cost you!
I am sure it will cost a lot more to run than the CRV. Tyres are expensive, the coil packs are several hundred quid. I needed a new battery which was 400 IIRC (its a special and very large one that has to fit into a special box under the seat). You get the picture... These are 40k+ cars from Porsche. They are guaranteed to cost more to run than a CRV. For me its worth it. Don't kid yourself it won't cost you!
My V 8 gives best 23 mpg on motorway at 76mph ( 120 kms). 15/16 town. In traffic you would weep, but I avoid it. Continental N Tyres wore fastish, replaced with N Bridgestones which are better. Comfort and speed and relaxing grunt of the V8 is better than a Merc S class. If you tow, and I do the race car it's brilliant and the relative fuel consumption vis a vis my friends 3 litre D Range Rover BMW engine is not so bad at all.
We came from a CRV to a Cayenne S a few years back. TBH we struggled to get 28 MPG out of a 2.0 vtec petrol CRV and got about 20 on average from our Cayenne with a worst case of 18 and a best case of about 23 on a decent run and not nailing it. We liked ours a lot but couldn't believe how little room it had in the back when we needed a full size car seat for our 3rd kid alongside a couple of boosters. That coupled with the running costs at the time when unleaded was heading towards £1.25 a litre I eventually decided to let it go and get a sensible Honda FRV EX 2.2 diesel for the family wagon. We've had it for a couple of years now and are starting to think about changing back into a big family 4x4 and my good ladies most favoured option is to get back into a Cayenne, maybe a facelifted S. The sensible head says get a X5 SD or a Q7 TDI but got to admit the lure of a Cayenne is pretty strong.
If I were you I'd go for a Cayenne S at that price point, I wouldn't bother with a V6. I would look for one with air suspension if you can and try to get one that has just had its major service as even though ours was a minter that needed nothing extra in its big service it still cost about £1100 all in not including tyres!
If I were you I'd go for a Cayenne S at that price point, I wouldn't bother with a V6. I would look for one with air suspension if you can and try to get one that has just had its major service as even though ours was a minter that needed nothing extra in its big service it still cost about £1100 all in not including tyres!
............I can push that up to 15 ish if I drive like Miss Daisy
..........22 on a runSteve996 said:
...starting to think about changing back into a big family 4x4 and my good ladies most favoured option is to get back into a Cayenne, maybe a facelifted S. The sensible head says get a X5 SD or a Q7 TDI but got to admit the lure of a Cayenne is pretty strong.
Sold my Cayenne S a few years ago and miss it hugely. Currently got an X5 and no comparison - go back to a Cayenne! I'll be swapping back when the new one comes out later this year, prob go for the hybrid. To the OP the only issues I had with mine were tyre consumption (10,000 miles per set),fuel consumption (16/17 mpg) and the water pump went pop (£400 to replace).
Great car and great noise, go for it!
I've not got lots of experience of these but got over 20mpg out of a Turbo on a long motorway run (500 miles+) - at 90+ Leptons though so I thought it was OK.
Coil packs are only £13 each, so why worry about them? I had to pay £90 for a Saab 9-3 one last year! I changed all 8 on an 'S', as well as all the spark plugs and it only took me 2-3 hours having never done it before. I'm sure they didn't all need doing but the car was quite hesitant when accelerating so it seemed best to change them all whilst I was in there, the plugs had only just been done but weren't the exact correct spec (I think they were more for a hot climate car) so did those too as a precaution. It ran prefectly afterwards.
Do consult Mike at Sports & Classic about them though - he runs one himself and is one of the very few Porsche specialists who will work on them (many have neither the experience, equipment nor inclination). He has done gearboxes, a few inlet manifolds (plastic now superceded with metal) and so on. He will also offer their Maintenance Plan for them, which should work well for peace of mind and managing costs.
Coil packs are only £13 each, so why worry about them? I had to pay £90 for a Saab 9-3 one last year! I changed all 8 on an 'S', as well as all the spark plugs and it only took me 2-3 hours having never done it before. I'm sure they didn't all need doing but the car was quite hesitant when accelerating so it seemed best to change them all whilst I was in there, the plugs had only just been done but weren't the exact correct spec (I think they were more for a hot climate car) so did those too as a precaution. It ran prefectly afterwards.
Do consult Mike at Sports & Classic about them though - he runs one himself and is one of the very few Porsche specialists who will work on them (many have neither the experience, equipment nor inclination). He has done gearboxes, a few inlet manifolds (plastic now superceded with metal) and so on. He will also offer their Maintenance Plan for them, which should work well for peace of mind and managing costs.
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