Power steering hose - any help on how to repair?

[Max Turbo]

Hi,

The 306 I have just bought, along with a few other niggles, has a PAS leak.

The hose is a Pug only replacement and they want £150 for it so I need to find an alternative solution!!

The fail is on a join between a metal section of the pipe and where it transitions to a thick walled rubber hose (similar to coolant hoses). The metal pipe is approx 10mm in diameter, and the rubber hose is a 5/8" hose. There is a big metal sleeve that goes over the rubber hose and it looks like it has had a mega crimping tool on it to crimp it on to the hose. I would guess there is a metal section inside the rubber hose to provide suitable support.

Anyway, this is the area it is leaking from.

Any suggestions on how I can cut out this bad section, and replace it? It needs to be a permanent solution.

Thanks

[aww999]

Can you remove the whole hose and take it to your nearest Pirtek branch?

[warped head]

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

[Dogwatch]

Company used to dealing with hydraulics - farm machinery engineers?

[curlie467]

Find a scrapyard and get one from there, i did this recently on my 306. They arent hard to get off, £5 and alls well.

[redstu]

curlie467 said:

Find a scrapyard and get one from there, i did this recently on my 306. They arent hard to get off, £5 and alls well.

Finding the scrapyard could be the hard part - they used to be common in my area , now they seem to have been built on or just shut up shop.

[1987]

redstu said:

curlie467 said:

Find a scrapyard and get one from there, i did this recently on my 306. They arent hard to get off, £5 and alls well.

Finding the scrapyard could be the hard part - they used to be common in my area , now they seem to have been built on or just shut up shop.

Try Find a Part and you should get a few calls. Really handy for small parts for older cars.

[paulshears]

I work for a "Pirtek" type company

There may be a chance that someone like me could help

But..... there's only a small amount of PAS hose's we can repair

I had a Sierra Cosworth last year and needed a PAS hose..... I ended up getting one from Ford

[AdeTuono]

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

[bimsb6]

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

[Superhoop]

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

Or maybe it's something to do with very high pressure being used, that jubilee clips aren't designed to hold??

[AdeTuono]

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

You honestly think it's cheaper to manufacture a pair high-pressure pipe fittings, with metal-to-metal seal areas, one screwed into a prepped tapping and the other physically swaged onto a piece of high-pressure flexible hose, than to push a bit of cheap rubber hose onto a spigot and hold it on with a cheap banded clip? OK, if you insist.

[tricky1962]

What Dogwatch says gets my vote. They can make hoses up from scratch - I have done this in the past for various obscure bits of machinery. Try these guys http://www.sjrhydraulics.co.uk/

[tog]

aww999 said:

Can you remove the whole hose and take it to your nearest Pirtek branch?

Pirtek made up a new hose for me with no problem. Take the original as a pattern.

[bimsb6]

AdeTuono said:

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

You honestly think it's cheaper to manufacture a pair high-pressure pipe fittings, with metal-to-metal seal areas, one screwed into a prepped tapping and the other physically swaged onto a piece of high-pressure flexible hose, than to push a bit of cheap rubber hose onto a spigot and hold it on with a cheap banded clip? OK, if you insist.

and you can tell from the description given what this hose does and the type of pressure it is being run at ? you should be on the telly !

[Max Turbo]

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

You honestly think it's cheaper to manufacture a pair high-pressure pipe fittings, with metal-to-metal seal areas, one screwed into a prepped tapping and the other physically swaged onto a piece of high-pressure flexible hose, than to push a bit of cheap rubber hose onto a spigot and hold it on with a cheap banded clip? OK, if you insist.

and you can tell from the description given what this hose does and the type of pressure it is being run at ? you should be on the telly !

In fairness, it is the pressure pipe going from the pump to the rack, not the return pipe. It pisses out fluid when the steering is applied, so a jubilee clip isn't on the cards. This needs to be a suitably permanent solution that doesn't leave the OH stranded.

I won't be going to Pug for this part. I will try some the online parts gateway to see if I can get one, then local scrappers. I might give Pirtek a call tomorrow also, as they are only 20 odd miles away and I can use one of the other cars to get there with the pipe.

Thanks everyone!

[BliarOut]

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

You honestly think it's cheaper to manufacture a pair high-pressure pipe fittings, with metal-to-metal seal areas, one screwed into a prepped tapping and the other physically swaged onto a piece of high-pressure flexible hose, than to push a bit of cheap rubber hose onto a spigot and hold it on with a cheap banded clip? OK, if you insist.

and you can tell from the description given what this hose does and the type of pressure it is being run at ? you should be on the telly !

Yup, the crimps give it away

[AdeTuono]

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

bimsb6 said:

AdeTuono said:

warped head said:

pry off the crimped sleeve, find offending area, cut off bad section of pipe and then jubilee clamp it back on

job done

Unless this was written with tongue in cheek, ignore it. There's a reason the hoses are crimped in the first place, and not Jubilee clipped.

cost being the main one !

You honestly think it's cheaper to manufacture a pair high-pressure pipe fittings, with metal-to-metal seal areas, one screwed into a prepped tapping and the other physically swaged onto a piece of high-pressure flexible hose, than to push a bit of cheap rubber hose onto a spigot and hold it on with a cheap banded clip? OK, if you insist.

and you can tell from the description given what this hose does and the type of pressure it is being run at ? you should be on the telly !

Which bit of PAS, and then a full description of the hose, didn't you grasp? Just for us terminally stupid, you understand?

[thinfourth2]

Had exactly the same issue with a golf

I went to the local pirtek branch with the old hose and both end fittings.

But before you do this look at where the pipe runs and see if you can replace it with a rubber type hose and work out how long a run you need. Also for you final length go a little bit long but not too much as too short is impossible to fit but too long can also be difficult to fit.

You need to take both ends as car makers tend to use none standard connections for some strange reason.

So what you might end up with is using the hard metal pipe ends with compression fittings taking you to standard hydraulic hose


And you can try the jublie clip if you fancy but you are looking at system pressures of at least 100Bar or about 1500Psi

[4i turbo bob]

jubilee clip will blow straight away..no good on high pressure side of the pump.
ok on the return though.