XKR 4.2 or 4.0?
XKR 4.2 or 4.0?
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unpc

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2,963 posts

229 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Quick question. I'm looking to buy a lowish milage XKR around the 2003/4 vintage but is there much difference between the 4.2 and 4.0L? Obviously 200cc and about 30bhp, yes? Engine aside, what other differences were there? I seem to be under the impression that there was a lot of grief with the 4.0 and the Nickasil liners but not with the later cars. Is this true?

pete5570

270 posts

188 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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From what i have read the 4.2 had all the faults sorted. The water pump is the metal one as opposed to the plastic one on the 4.0, The tensioners are metal, the earlier ones were plastic and apparently prone to failing. And obviously the engine is steel lined. This is just what i have read in reviews etc. I'm sure some one will be able to give more info.

unpc

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2,963 posts

229 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Thanks Pete, that's good info. I'm leaning towards spending a few more quid and getting a 4.2. Mrs UNPC won't be happy with the extra outlay no doubt.

NormanD

3,208 posts

244 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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pete5570 said:
From what i have read the 4.2 had all the faults sorted. The water pump is the metal one as opposed to the plastic one on the 4.0, The tensioners are metal, the earlier ones were plastic and apparently prone to failing. And obviously the engine is steel lined. This is just what i have read in reviews etc. I'm sure some one will be able to give more info.
That is correct, there are too many improvements to the engine to list here

The extra 30BHP came not from the 200CC but from speeding up the supercharger

In fact I have now put a 4.2Lt into my 1999 XKR

unpc

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2,963 posts

229 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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Ok it looks like the 4.2 then. Was it only engine improvements or did the chassis get any attention?

a8hex

5,830 posts

239 months

Thursday 1st April 2010
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The other big difference is the switch of gear box. The 4.0SC uses the MB 5 speed box, the 4.2SC gets a 6 speed ZF box. I presume that this gives higher gearing in top as people here have claimed much better cruising economies from the 6speed unit.

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

226 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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pete5570 said:
From what i have read the 4.2 had all the faults sorted. The water pump is the metal one as opposed to the plastic one on the 4.0, The tensioners are metal, the earlier ones were plastic and apparently prone to failing. And obviously the engine is steel lined. This is just what i have read in reviews etc. I'm sure some one will be able to give more info.
The 4.0 was revised somewhere in 2000 - every source of information gives a slightly different date or method of checking - some claim it was in the introduction of the 2000 model year in September 1999 others suggest you can trace which engine a particular car has fitted by the VIN number.

The revisions include a change from plastic to metal impellor vanes on the water pump, a different throttle body and a switch to steel dry liners rather then a Nikasil plating directly on to the aluminium bores. There was also a Mk 2 design (still plastic 'tho) of secondary timing chain tensioner introduced and retro fitted to the earlier engines if customers complained about a rattle on start up - if it didn't fall to bits to bits and smash the pistons into the valves first.

Providing a 4.0 - even a early Nikasil plated one - has had the water pump and thermostat changed, a new throttle body and the third generation metal bodied secondary tensioners fitted and has a good or very good history of regular oil changes then an 4.0 car should not be dismissed completely.

Nikasil bore errosion and subsequent loss of compression was mainy due the use of high sulphur fuel combined with short trips which never allowed the engine to warm up. Allowable sulphur content in fuel was reduced from 150ppm to a much lower figure in Jan 2000 so any Nikasil engine built after that date - including mine - would never have been exposed to the cause of the bore errosion and there's a school of thought that a Nikasil coated engine (which of course I agree with wink) is superior in terms of bore wear and frictional losses to a later steel liner one.

unpc

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2,963 posts

229 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Thanks for all the replies. I managed to push the budget slightly and bought a lovely 03 4.2 XKR. Will try and get some pics.

markgregory1

117 posts

266 months

Wednesday 7th April 2010
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Well done on your new purchase, You might be interested in our website (www.xkec.co.uk)?

Edited by markgregory1 on Wednesday 7th April 16:29

unpc

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2,963 posts

229 months

Friday 9th April 2010
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Thanks I'll check it out. I was hoping to pick up the car this weekend but it's not going to be ready. grumpy Now due to work commitments I can't pick it up till near the end of the month.

Myobb

175 posts

238 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Prior to picking up my XK8 from a service saw a XKR in the workshop. Apparently the water pump failed and the engine over heated. Result? A new engine required which Jaguar will supply for £5,300. There is a moral in this.

unpc

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229 months

Sunday 11th April 2010
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Myobb said:
Prior to picking up my XK8 from a service saw a XKR in the workshop. Apparently the water pump failed and the engine over heated. Result? A new engine required which Jaguar will supply for £5,300. There is a moral in this.
Ouch! Fortunately, I just bought mine from a Jaguar dealer and comes complete with a fresh service and a 1 year warranty. I should be ok for a year then (touches wood).

Andy XRV

3,885 posts

196 months

Thursday 15th April 2010
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Jaguar steve said:
pete5570 said:
Providing a 4.0 - even a early Nikasil plated one - has had the water pump and thermostat changed, a new throttle body and the third generation metal bodied secondary tensioners fitted and has a good or very good history of regular oil changes then an 4.0 car should not be dismissed completely.
I'm going to look at a 4.0 2000 XKR. Is there anyway of telling if the mods have been done and if not, are they expensive to do?

P700DEE

1,161 posts

246 months

Thursday 15th April 2010
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2000 XKR, might be Nikasil but no issue as it cant have been damaged. Water pump and thermostat , cheap no worries. Tensioners MKII so spring loaded no warning of failure. Assume not changed unless paperwork to prove. Just had my MKIIs swapped for the latest MKIVs fitted in 04



Edited by P700DEE on Tuesday 20th April 09:55

Andy XRV

3,885 posts

196 months

Monday 19th April 2010
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Thanks for that - doesn't sound like the early problems are a show stopper.