Aborted Landings
Discussion
After flying quite a bit I've experienced a couple of go-arounds as the plane has come into land, usually at a few hundred feet, but on Sunday I experienced a somewhat later event.
On an Emirates Boeing 777 coming into land at Singapore on Sunday night, clear weather, everything was going normally until the plane touched down, impossible to say but it felt like it bounced, not a hard landing at all, but definite contact made as if it were a real landing and then a couple of seconds later the engines fired up and we took off again.
After about 5-10 minutes the Captain came on and made an announcement about the airport being busy that night (inferring he was told to go around) - is that complete b
ks and the truth is he cocked up the landing? Would he be told to go around so late in the landing phase?
On an Emirates Boeing 777 coming into land at Singapore on Sunday night, clear weather, everything was going normally until the plane touched down, impossible to say but it felt like it bounced, not a hard landing at all, but definite contact made as if it were a real landing and then a couple of seconds later the engines fired up and we took off again.
After about 5-10 minutes the Captain came on and made an announcement about the airport being busy that night (inferring he was told to go around) - is that complete b
ks and the truth is he cocked up the landing? Would he be told to go around so late in the landing phase? I'm sure some experienced flight crew will be along shortly to let you know, but I believe it is possible to be told to go around at such a late stage that the aircraft will still contact the ground before it begins to climb again. It doesn't sound like this is the case from your description, but then I can't really think of a situation where an ATC-initiated go around would be an effective measure to protect an aircraft that had already touched down.
Edited by RDE on Tuesday 6th April 08:35
If you initiate a go around on a 777 from under a 50 feet or so, I expect you'd touch down momentarily during the go around maneuver.
In many airports you can be issued a "land after" landing clearance involving a clearance been given before the aircraft in front has taken off. So, if the proceeding aircraft aborted it's take off very late on, it's possible an ATC initiated go around involving ground contact could be made. If the event happened at night time, then it's unlikely your aircraft would be given an ATC go around instruction so late on. It's always possible though.
Many pilots will tell you the go around was due to air traffic though, it sounds much more reassuring than saying "we stuffed that one up but don't worry we'll do better this time". I would anyway.
In many airports you can be issued a "land after" landing clearance involving a clearance been given before the aircraft in front has taken off. So, if the proceeding aircraft aborted it's take off very late on, it's possible an ATC initiated go around involving ground contact could be made. If the event happened at night time, then it's unlikely your aircraft would be given an ATC go around instruction so late on. It's always possible though.
Many pilots will tell you the go around was due to air traffic though, it sounds much more reassuring than saying "we stuffed that one up but don't worry we'll do better this time". I would anyway.
el stovey said:
Many pilots will tell you the go around was due to air traffic though, it sounds much more reassuring than saying "we stuffed that one up but don't worry we'll do better this time". I would anyway.
That's right, just blame us. It's not like we value our reputations too or anything 
RDE said:
el stovey said:
Many pilots will tell you the go around was due to air traffic though, it sounds much more reassuring than saying "we stuffed that one up but don't worry we'll do better this time". I would anyway.
That's right, just blame us. It's not like we value our reputations too or anything Late pushing back = Air traffic delays.
Late arrival = Air traffic control.
Didn't fly a CDA = air traffic gave us an unrealistic 'track miles' estimate
Fly into a CB whilst reading the paper = Air traffic wouldn't let us climb
Lost radio contact while chatting to hosties in the flight deck and get intercepted by jet fighters = ATCs fault.
I was going to cut the grass today but didn't manage to get it done, I'll probably blame air traffic control for it somehow.
I'd blame air traffic for even more if I could get away with it.
none of this is true, I think all air traffic controllers are brilliant
skyslimit said:
It's ALWAYS air tragic's fault. ALWAYS. Especially that insane woman in Seville tower. Thanks for the worlds gashest radar vectors from Rotex love.
runs away and hides!
Robin Washer? or something?runs away and hides!
Watched an episode or Air Crash Investigation the other day, and she was an ATC'er who landed a plane upon another, there was no ground radar, and a light stack was in her way so didn't have eyes on the plane she had stopped at the beginning of a runway when she cleared a plane to land.
Runway incursions they called them in America, I can imagine there called some t
t on a runway here.Wait this was LAX, I have no idea what your on about now.
Ross1988 said:
skyslimit said:
It's ALWAYS air tragic's fault. ALWAYS. Especially that insane woman in Seville tower. Thanks for the worlds gashest radar vectors from Rotex love.
runs away and hides!
Robin Washer? or something?runs away and hides!
Watched an episode or Air Crash Investigation the other day, and she was an ATC'er who landed a plane upon another, there was no ground radar, and a light stack was in her way so didn't have eyes on the plane she had stopped at the beginning of a runway when she cleared a plane to land.
Runway incursions they called them in America, I can imagine there called some t
t on a runway here.Wait this was LAX, I have no idea what your on about now.
Mine was a reference to the delightfull professional who has a habit of clearing you direct to the IAF for 27, when you're actually on route to 09, or vice versa.
Or her favourite, dropping you onto finals on the ILS at about 6 miles out, and then asking you to report at 8 miles to run. Err, no luv, check your screen
Anyone would think she was married to the chief ATC bloke. Oh wait, she is!
All good fun. In honesty though, 99% of ATC chaps and ladies are bloody excellent. I've nothing but respect for them.
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