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skymaster

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I will try and keep this brief. Basically I have started seeing a new lady, who works and lives in a boarding school. The relationship is going well (so far) and she wants me to start going to stay at her flat (in the school premises) at weekends. She says that for this I must be CRB checked by the school.

I am currently 32 years old. When aged 16 I was convicted of affray and possession of offensive weapon (1994) ... and given a fine and conditional discharge. Since then I don't have so much as a parking ticket on my record... totally clean...

How is this going to play out? If the school CRB me so I can attend the site and stay with her over night are they going to see chapter and verse about my record? Given that everyone is always trying to cover their own back sides in these situations there is a chance they might act and refuse me entry... which would essentially destroy this new relationship.

Any advice on the process and how it works welcome... I have read something about the 'step down' model, but heard that a court ruling last year meant the CRB no longer go by this.

Silent1

18,586 posts

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Should drop off after 7 years IIRC, but as a school related CRB it will be an enhanced check which IIRC shows up 'spent' offences.

saaby93

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Youve done the crime and served the time
That should be the end of it and you've no need to post about it on here.
Slate is clean.

Whether CRB is the same........

cuneus

5,705 posts

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No question it will show on the CRB and I'm sorry to say that as far as the school is concerned it's game over

You have my sympathy

Silent1

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For someone convicted under 18 it's, for anyone over 18 double the rehab times(except the first):

Sentence Rehabilitation period
Absolute discharge 6 months
Fines, community service / punishment orders, combination and curfew orders 2.5 years
Prison sentences of less than 6 months 3.5 years
Prison sentences of between 6 months and 2½ years 5 years
Prison sentence of over 2½ Years Never spent


The age of conviction is irrelevant for the following sentences:

Borstal (abolished 1983)
7 Years

Detention centres (abolished 1988)
3 Years

The following sentences have variable rehabilitation periods that do not vary with age:

Probation, supervision or care orders, conditional discharge or bind-over
The greater of 1 year, or until the order expires

Attendance centre orders
1 year after the order expires

Hospital orders (with or without restriction orders)
The greater of 5 years, or 2 years after the order expires

Edited by Silent1 on Wednesday 9th June 00:32


Edited by Silent1 on Wednesday 9th June 00:32

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cuneus

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Largely irrelevant as enhanced CRB allows disclosure of any other relevant information at the discretion of the CC

Edited by cuneus on Wednesday 9th June 00:35

Silent1

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cuneus said:
Largely irrelevant as enhanced CRB allows disclosure of any other relevant information at the discretion of the CC

Edited by cuneus on Wednesday 9th June 00:35
Indeed, if they do an enhanced CRB all spent convictions are listed.

mybrainhurts

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cuneus said:
No question it will show on the CRB and I'm sorry to say that as far as the school is concerned it's game over

You have my sympathy
Sounds about right...

You'll be needing a tent...smile

saaby93

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cuneus said:
Largely irrelevant as enhanced CRB allows disclosure of any other relevant information at the discretion of the CC
Do they ask every CC?
All that seems to happen is that you disclose everything you think relevant on the CRB form (i.e. OP puts nothing), CRB dept do *something* retype it up and issue it as your CRB.
What is the *something*?



Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 9th June 00:42

Silent1

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saaby93 said:
cuneus said:
Largely irrelevant as enhanced CRB allows disclosure of any other relevant information at the discretion of the CC
Do they ask every CC?
All that seems to happen is that you disclose everything you think relevant on the CRB form (i.e. OP puts nothing), CRB dept do *something* retype it up and issue it as your CRB.
What is the *something*?



Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 9th June 00:42
confused what are you suggesting? If you don't declare they wont check?

Dontlift

9,394 posts

138 months

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Here's a novel approach

Why dont you tell the skirt all about it so she can got to the school and pre-warn them prior to the CRB

If there is anything in this relationship beyond banging each other stupid she will understand and deal with it one way or another

if she throws a wobbler then you are better of rid anyway

Dontlift

9,394 posts

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Silent1 said:
For someone convicted under 18 it's, for anyone over 18 double the rehab times(except the first):

Sentence Rehabilitation period
Absolute discharge 6 months
Fines, community service / punishment orders, combination and curfew orders 2.5 years
Prison sentences of less than 6 months 3.5 years
Prison sentences of between 6 months and 2½ years 5 years
Prison sentence of over 2½ Years Never spent


The age of conviction is irrelevant for the following sentences:

Borstal (abolished 1983)
7 Years

Detention centres (abolished 1988)
3 Years

The following sentences have variable rehabilitation periods that do not vary with age:

Probation, supervision or care orders, conditional discharge or bind-over
The greater of 1 year, or until the order expires

Attendance centre orders
1 year after the order expires

Hospital orders (with or without restriction orders)
The greater of 5 years, or 2 years after the order expires

Edited by Silent1 on Wednesday 9th June 00:32


Edited by Silent1 on Wednesday 9th June 00:32
Out of intrest how long does a caution remain in play and would this show up in CRB?

skymaster

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Could we keep the jokes and snide comments to a minimum... put yourselves in my position, this isn't funny...

What does CC stand for?

Dontlift

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skymaster said:
Could we keep the jokes and snide comments to a minimum... put yourselves in my position, this isn't funny...

What does CC stand for?
I wasnt joking btw, you really should tell her rather than dodge the CRB or risk losing her, i am sure she will understand that you didnt something stupid as a kid and got nicked for it

Gareth79

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saaby93 said:
cuneus said:
Largely irrelevant as enhanced CRB allows disclosure of any other relevant information at the discretion of the CC
Do they ask every CC?
All that seems to happen is that you disclose everything you think relevant on the CRB form (i.e. OP puts nothing), CRB dept do *something* retype it up and issue it as your CRB.
What is the *something*?
They will check paper files held locally, this will be information not added to the PNC in the past, usually because there was no way of adding it at the time.

AFAIK an enhanced CRB will produce records of any police action which had a result, ie. not arrests with NFA.

edit: I'm not sure what "local" is, probably forces where the applicant has ever lived, plus the location of the requestor.


Edited by Gareth79 on Wednesday 9th June 01:15

Gareth79

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skymaster said:
What does CC stand for?
Chief Constable.

Silent1

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skymaster said:
Could we keep the jokes and snide comments to a minimum... put yourselves in my position, this isn't funny...

What does CC stand for?
Basically it's bad news unless you can explain it to her and the school first, i can't see how they can argue the conviction you have makes you a danger to the pupils, but you never know.

rpguk

3,728 posts

164 months

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Dontlift said:
Here's a novel approach

Why dont you tell the skirt all about it so she can got to the school and pre-warn them prior to the CRB

If there is anything in this relationship beyond banging each other stupid she will understand and deal with it one way or another

if she throws a wobbler then you are better of rid anyway
This. The school has to carry out a CRB check by law. This will cover 'list 99' which is the register of people barred from working with children. It will also show in most cases previous offences. Having a criminal record doesn't mean you can't go into a school or even work with children. The head teacher or governors are able ot use their discretion (although they may of course just be arbitrary about it). It'll be as much about how much they trust your girlfriend and how well you come across as anything else.

If your girlfriend speaks now and prepares them you have a chance to show that you have moved on, are responsible and that your past is your past (I don't know you, you could be an immature tt for all I know though). If things are new, your girlfriend might not want the hassle but you're best being upfront IMHO.

I am involved with private contractors in schools - a fair number of them have criminal records and I've seen people with far worse records then yours put on site.

Believe it or not the longest criminal record (a good 3 pages) belongs to about the straightest bloke you could ever imagine. All a good 20 years in the past now and I trust him implicitly. All of the heads are perfectly happy with him too, remember most people in education are pretty lefty and all about rehabilitation rather then punishment etc.

It's a formality that they have to carry out the check, so be honest and open and I rekon you'll most likely be fine.

Edited by rpguk on Wednesday 9th June 01:22

skymaster

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She knows... we have discussed it all on the phone this evening... the issue is the school..... they might be reasonable... see it was 16 years ago and the offences are nothing to do with sex etc etc... and just file the forms .... but they could ... if they want... be really difficult

skymaster

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There are surrounding issues... one being that she is currently out of favor with a member of the senior managers at present (work politics situation) ... the other being that this is a very very posh, exclusive and expensive school... they won't risk anything that might upset the apple cart.

I agree that if some common sense was used, they met me... looked into my life (company director, property owner, pays his taxes, honest hardworking and responsible, even has a clean driving licence ;-) then they would have no issues... but if it's processed purely on paper by someone trying to cover all bases it could be a bad result. Which would be grossly unfair, for a crime that took place 16 years ago as a minor. To have this relationship cut short as further punishment for my crimes as a child isn't justice.


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