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Zippee

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We're in the process of buying a new house that needs a bit of tlc, one of the first projects is to rip out the existing kitchen, knock through into the current dinging room and make a 16' by 11' kitchen. We like the look of one of the designs on Howdens website but theres no prices anywhere. Can anyone give me a rough cost for an average styled kitchen - high and low level units, sink, worktop etc. We'll obviously aim to use a builder who has access to Howdens trade prices but want a 'very' approximate cost for now to help our rough budgeting.

Davi

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it depends massively on what you chose in their range, but the prices we were quoted (trade) were around about Wickes prices -40%

Personally went with diy-kitchens.com - great service and good quality stuff too.

Edited by Davi on Tuesday 15th June 11:12

Zippee

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The design we like is this one;
http://www.howdens.com/product-range/kitchen-colle...
Along with this worktop;
http://www.howdens.com/product-range/kitchen-colle...

Tap, floor, lighting, oven and other appliances are already budgeted for. Just very hard to work out approximate costs at present with no available prices from them.

Davi

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LOL that's the one we were looking at biggrin

diy-kitchens do a range the same style and finish but I don't think they had it in the grey. We settled on a beige in the end.

Price wise, Wickes do it in cream or white, we priced up against that and for the same general layout (as close as we could get anyway) it worked out 40% cheaper from Howdens. As it's a builders merchants though I'm told that the trade discount depends on who it's too, my uncle used them daily and got considerable discounts, so it may depend on who you get in to do the job!

Fittster

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A local builder is telling me that he can get me 60% off list on a Howdens kitchen.

I'm planning to sit down and compare the costs of Wickes, Ikea and Howdens offerings.
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Zippee

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Davi said:
LOL that's the one we were looking at biggrin

diy-kitchens do a range the same style and finish but I don't think they had it in the grey. We settled on a beige in the end.

Price wise, Wickes do it in cream or white, we priced up against that and for the same general layout (as close as we could get anyway) it worked out 40% cheaper from Howdens. As it's a builders merchants though I'm told that the trade discount depends on who it's too, my uncle used them daily and got considerable discounts, so it may depend on who you get in to do the job!
I never knew Wickes did the same range - handy that as I can at least get it properly measured up and priced from them in the first instance. How much did yours cost in the end? Was it a similar size to the one I'm looking to do?

Davi

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I don't think it's the same range, just a range the same style - curved doors, high gloss etc. Never know, may come out the same factory though!

I did all mine myself, and did some serious bargain hunting so overall cost wise wouldn't be a very good indicator for you. The units themselves were £3.5k for 19 pieces, including wall units, cappings and fixture, top of the range blum internal drawer system in all underunit cupboards, pull out midi height larders, soft close etc.

B17NNS

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Discount varies on individual components.

Looking at an invoice I've just recieved I got 83% off the cabinets, 60% off worktops, 55% off the plinths.

I also think available discounts differ across the ranges too.

Trommel

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Davi said:
Personally went with diy-kitchens.com - great service and good quality stuff too.
I've used them - they're pretty solid for the money.

Davi

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they are trommel, and they come prebuilt which is always handy hehe

What endeared them to me most (and ensured I'll use them again!) was their customer service though - they had never done a setup with all internal draw fronts from blum before, and not in the way I wanted to do it especially, so they bought a couple of sets and worked out the best way - they also gave me about £500 worth free because of a small cock up they made (which they sorted very quickly)

homeimprovements

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zippee

The howdons solid surface tops are exremley expensive and getting someone trained to fit them is not always easy as the training courses are not held very often. It would nearly work out better to have granite.

The kitchen range is also fairly higher end. All the howdons carcases are the same you just pay more for the fascias. If you could get me a plan of the proposed room sizes with door locations and windows I will pass it to my kitchen designer we use and can get you a fairly accurate price within a few days .


Zippee

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Nigel,

That is an extremely kind offer (including your post on my other thread) - thankyou. Currently we are waiting for a mortgage survey to be done before we can really move too much further. We're hoping to go back on Monday anyway in order to accurately measure up the current kitchen/dining room for what will become the one room, we'll ensure we measure where windows, doors, boiler etc currently are and let you know. Out of interest would that price/design be for the Howdens units we like? It's very hard to design a kitchen to fit when you can't imagine what can go where or what should work.
Thanks also for the heads up on the work surface - we may in that case try and go for something a little cheaper in that respect.

As for the extension plans - any tips on where/how to get these drawn up? We were going to ask the advice of whatever builder we use. Can you tell we've never done this before?

Many Thanks
Tony

andy43

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Zippee said:
As for the extension plans - any tips on where/how to get these drawn up? We were going to ask the advice of whatever builder we use. Can you tell we've never done this before?

Many Thanks
Tony
IF by extension plans you mean finding an architect, I'd say from our experiences to go with whoever a decent builder recommends. We've used and abused 4 architects over the past ten years, and the best, by far, was the guy we found via a builder. The other three were slow, drew stuff that was basically unbuildable, and worked out more expensive. Builders architect was fast, drew some very pretty multicoloured drawings that could actually be built, AND provided all the supabeam calculations for beam sizes with the drawings, instead of just stating 'lintels to engineers designs' = extra costs and time.
Using someone via a recommendation is the only way to go IMHO.

Davi

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andy43 said:
Lots of very sensible stuff
Listen to this man, he speaks wise words. I had to redraw my plans so they could be built, because the architect wasn't capable of it...

andy43

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yes
I have a set of plans here, which show a new cavity wall tray 15 metres in length. No problem. But it's to be retrofitted to an existing wall banghead
Have had plans with a new steel beam across a hallway at roughly chest-height on a split-level house, and steels drawn to support new floor joists when there's actually a masonry internal wall within 12" of proposed beam position.
If I had a sharp pencil and some big paper, I'd do it myself hehe

Busamav

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andy43 said:
yes
I have a set of plans here, which show a new cavity wall tray 15 metres in length. No problem. But it's to be retrofitted to an existing wall banghead
What is wrong with that , other than the time and labour involved to do it ?

I think on even a mildly exposed site , the building inspector would be negligent on not requiring it .

Build an extension against an existing cavity wall and that is what will appear on all of my drawings , it is the correct thing to do . You can buy trays for just that situation too .

Busamav

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andy43 said:
yes
when there's actually a masonry internal wall within 12" of proposed beam position.
If I had a sharp pencil and some big paper, I'd do it myself hehe
Out of interest ,what are the foundations like under that wall ?

Skyedriver

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Davi said:
because the architect wasn't capable of it...
nothing new there, worked with architects as an engineer for years and whilst there are some really intelligent ones, there are others who can not visualise 3D and work only in 2D. Others who simply do a simple sketch/doodle and rely on the engineer to actually make it work. They then take all the credit and get paid more than engineers too.


Ooooh those grapesd are sour

mk1fan

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Busamav said:
You can buy trays for just that situation too
Oddly enough a company called Cavity Trays.

Davi

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Skyedriver said:
Davi said:
because the architect wasn't capable of it...
nothing new there, worked with architects as an engineer for years and whilst there are some really intelligent ones, there are others who can not visualise 3D and work only in 2D. Others who simply do a simple sketch/doodle and rely on the engineer to actually make it work. They then take all the credit and get paid more than engineers too.


Ooooh those grapesd are sour
hehe well ours would have been fine, as long as we didn't actually want the roof to meet the walls, but to finish a few feet back. I guess it could have been a feature - bedroom al fresco!

Or at least, it could have been bedroom al fresco if they'd realised they were putting the door in the middle of a steel. OK, I guess a bigger feature. Bedroom al fresco for the vertically challenged wink

Wonderful creatures, the inept architect!
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